Lesbian mistaken for trans woman in woman's bathroom in Arizona

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https://www.advocate.com/news/lesbian-mistaken-transgender-arizona-walmart

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masculine-looking-cis-woman-confronted-by-cops-in-walmart-restroom-kalaya-morton-demands-justice-video/ar-AA1AdWpn

But I thought people "can always tell"?

It also led to the irony the only males in the bathroom were two male police officers who were notified by a store employee who mistakenly thought a male had entered the woman's toilets.

"In an alarming incident at a Tucson, Arizona Walmart, 19-year-old Kalaya Morton*, a Black cisgender lesbian, was confronted by two male sheriff’s deputies while using the women’s restroom, sparking outrage and a demand for accountability.
Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,” recounted the humiliating encounter that occurred when a store employee erroneously assumed she was a transgender woman. The saga began innocuously enough: Morton had entered the restroom with her ex-girlfriend, who was kindly handing her a tampon— an act of friendship that, unfortunately, soon spiraled into something far more troubling. In an exclusive interview with The Advocate, Morton detailed her shock when the two deputies barged in, shining flashlights into the restroom stall.

“You have to get out of here. You have to come out. We need to talk to you.” Imagine trying to pee in peace, only to have the police storm in like it’s an episode of Cops: Restroom Edition.
“I’m still using the restroom. I’m sitting down, I’m peeing. What is the issue?,” Morton incredulously told the deputies as she sat there.
Now, while most people hope for a streamlined bathroom experience, Morton was treated more like a suspect than a bathroom user. The deputies apparently needed to crack the case of “Who Looks Like a Man in the Ladies’ Room,” a particularly absurd mystery, if you ask us."

Says you - but there is no feminist rule book or definition that says that. Making the belief and work towards equality, work for women isn't the feminist move you think it is.

Helpmelosemymind · Today 15:09

That's exactly what's not being discussed is it though? We're discussing twitter but it wouldn't be the first time a man thinks he has a clever comment to make that adds nothing to a discussion.

Well, it is being discussed at length, because the conversation has evolved. The point is unsolicited porn, so I used an analogy.

Some posters here are accusing women, who've been spammed with porn, of deserving it, on the entirely spurious grounds that they spend all day looking at trans porn on Twitter.

Says you - but there is no feminist rule book or definition that says that. Making the belief and work towards equality, work for women isn't the feminist move you think it is.

She didn't say it was, nice straw man. Men can be allies, but they shouldn't expect to talk over women. Feminism is about women and girls.

I'm not sure that's necessarily true. Slightly different context, but there was some research published a while back which that showed that if you created a fake profile and gave it no information other than that you were male, and then didn't interact with anything online, the feed still very quickly started to show either incel type content or hardcore porn. The algorithm didn't seem to need any input from the user at all to assume men were interested in those things.

It's not just about attacks. You really don't get it. It's about privacy and dignity away from males. Any males. No matter whether they're in a suit and tie or in a dress.

Male people who want to catch female people out with unexpected self published porn don’t use sensitive content filters.

That is the entire point.

If you look at traditional feminist literature, it is. It's postmodernist to say men are included in feminism.

They do public record requests
As both officers looked as if they had body cams the public can request a copy of all the recordings (the 911, call the officers radio traffic any onboard recordings from the cars going to or from the Walmart) and any paperwork filed and some personal data held on the two officers and anyone else being paid by taxpayer funds

https://www.tucsonaz.gov/Departments/Police/Police-Services/Request-Tucson-Police-Public-Records

Yet you still haven't learned the message that trans activists are the ones 100% solely responsible for your friend being harassed. Not feminist/GC women.

You want me to actively go and search twitter for years old content of wanking porn that I was exposed to non-consensually…. else what? It didn’t happen?

So I can expose other people to unwanted porn? WTAF? And this is on a feminist thread?

Do you even read your posts back and think about them?

And that is fucking grim.

Allowing transwomen in allows all men in, which means those men 'carrying on as usual'.

Stopping all males from entering female spaces takes care of it.

Helpmelosemymind · Today 15:30

Literally link or post an example of these TRA accounts pleas that are "sending you" porn. It would be so easy.

Hmm. Linking porn videos to a parenting website, one which recently had to suspend image posting, because of an influx of CSA material.

That sounds like an excellent idea.

Friends have been abused, badly, because they apparently look like transwomen because they are tall. That is the only thing about them that could be used in this decision.

That is the fault of transactivsts. It is NOT the fault of feminists or GC women. Blame trans activists for this 100% and no one else.

That banning men from toilets isn't going to make a difference in keeping women safe because men don't sexually assault women in front of others and that more needs to be done to keep women safe.

If caught, that male can just claim he is trans, there - that's his free pass - and the victim will have no recourse. That, is how allowing transwomen in our spaces and calling women "transphobes" and having them charged with a hate crime has enabled all men to enter. Banning all men including transwomen and giving women back the right to call it out, to call police, WILL make a huge difference in keeping women safe, @justteanbiscuits .

You're right that the clothing is irrelevant. That's why anyone born with a penis, no matter how they dress or how they identify, should stay out of the women's loos.

Well this is the specific feminism board for only discussing issues relating to sex and gender- as per the board label. This board was especially created because some other posters lacked the impulse control needed to use a board that held threads discussing issues they, personally, didn’t like.

So, if you are looking for a feminism board that doesn’t include sex and gender issues, the other board awaits your attention.

And IIRC your partner is trans, @justteanbiscuits , so you have an agenda to promote males in female spaces and blame any backlash on feminist GC women.

For once it contains a link, at least.

Welcome, Twitter users.

For the most part this is a great board; unfortunately this thread has been filled with trolls that are apparently getting more and more heated in their accusations of women here as porn users, and a few vague drive-by chastisements of women for the actions of US police.

Still, feel free to ask women here if you have any questions about feminism, cyberflashing, gender non-conforming people, or the protection of women's single sex spaces and rights.

No, how could we? You never, ever, ever, ever stop going on about it, and how these womens rights activists are 'anti trans' and it's the fault of the womens rights activists, rather than TRANS ACTIVISTS who are the ones that are 100% at fault for causing the high alert which LED to your friends being attacked.

As well as reporting to the police, all NHS staff would have to report any and every assault, issue, problem, risk etc etc on a reporting system. In there you select where incident happened.

The police do not have a database where exact location of incident is recorded.

So police say they don't know. But every hospital will be able to access this information from their own records.

Thus, an FOI request to each Trust will get the information.

I have never worked in a school so have no idea how their information is recorded, I can only speak from NHS experience.

No you're trying to evolve it so you can conflate unsolicited dick pics with coming across porn on twitter. They're not the same and was not the original comment I replied to explain about the algorithm and am still waiting to be linked to. You want to strawman my argument to "you approve of or blame women for receiving unsolicited dick pics" when it's actually "if.youre regularly in twitter threads with explicit porn, you need to understand how to change your algorithm"

But they are. Can't add screen shot, but the very first response of this thread says "better a lesbian be inconvenienced". There are then numerous posts questing if it actually happened.

Yes, that's it. Her friends were bullied so it's all the fault of GC feminists and we should shut up about our hard won rights to keep all males out of women's spaces. They make no sense, but it's just more of the tried old women and feminists are at fault for everything.

Who? Where?

This line of attack is just that. It is an attack.

I think there are quite a few of us who are well versed in how social media algorithms work. And no, we are not seeking this content out. It was, when Twitter had a very active porn issue, very easy by simply following what looked like a normal profile until you clicked on the profile.

But hey, way to continue to portray women who are victims of seeing unwanted sex acts as being complicit in their exposure. I am sure this is enlightening to people who have not seen this type of portrayal of feminists before.