NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #13

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks although at the start of the second week getting everything done in this time period was looking less certain. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

However, as a result of problems with the liverstreaming, apparently as a result of a very large number of observers, remote public access to the hearing was suspended on Tuesday 11 February. It was suggested that it might be reinstated at some point but I wouldn't count on it.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10
Thread 11: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272046-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-11
Thread 12: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272276-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-12

DU Could have turned up at mtg with some policies.

NC DID you mention BMA discuss at mtg

DU Can't remember.

NC You had already provided BMA 2 days before mtg with B&H policy and EDI policy. On blink?

DU Not if not at work. Wife may have helped.They are better at this than I am

Dewomentia, surely.

old wifey on admin duty then

Wow. A new low. Throwing his wife under the bus.

Referring to wife as “they”! Not a biological female like DU obviously.

It's well known in resus with all the need for constant data monitoring and entry that doctors and nurses are actually waiting for some IT support person to come and help them:

Oh thank GOD you're here! Thank you SO much. I've been using these magic boxes for over 20 years without a CLUE what I'm doing. I remember when the demon known as the internet came into my house. you'd have been about 5 back then. I have been keeping the evil at bay with chicken legs and candles. Thank goodness you've arrived.

Back when my job involved working on these machines all day, I just bashed them with my tits and hoped for the best.

I'm not actually sure how I managed to get on here, tbh. I was dusting it one day and all this stuff appeared."

The immortal words of the viper who roundly put a wannabe mansplainer in his place on a long-ago thread about IT

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/parenting/2307274-I-am-everything-you-hate-about-people-on-the-internet-I-am-here-to-help?reply=52533449&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share&utm_source=copylink

Did he just refer to his wife as 'they'??

Referring to his wife as " they" not she

Wife on duty as support human I see.

"They" are better? More than one wife? Or NB? In which case is he, in fact, a lesbian?

I have a feeling KS maybe a scapegoat.

Wife "they"

NC Notes of IX mtg. When first see notes.

DU When sent prelim bundle

NC KS explains had email from EP on xmas eve and mtg with you on 29. [reads - Beth confronted by colleague in CR etc. Proceeded to use other offensive terms, like rapist in prison, etc]

To be fair, I seem to get away with quite a lot of muddling through 😁

Distorting SP's mention of the issue of men in women's prisons...by suggesting she was calling him a rapist.

So he was lying even then! He was the one who introduced rapists Sandie only mentioned prisons.

NC accurate?

DU a fair summary of C actions towards me? Not the detail I would have inc.

NC anything in account you think not quite right? I wouldn't have said that/not q true?

DU. No It's accurate.

NC Asking c completing Datix. Accurate. Read her response

I noticed that. 🙄

SP didn't use "rapist" and he agreed she didn't.

So, his "corrected" transcript is in fact a lie.

Hi all,
Fast moving threads to say the least, these, but please do report anything that you feel strays too far into speculation - please could we ask that everyone take care to stick to the topic at hand?

The nose looks slimmer from the front view. Not just make-up, I think.

Yes, will do.

I can't say i'm that surprised, to be honest.

'Cismyfatarse · Today 11:41
SP didn't use "rapist" and he agreed she didn't.
So, his "corrected" transcript is in fact a lie.'

yes he appears to have made stuff up in the complaint like NC said to build a case

NC How serious is it if ppl refer to you as he/point out you're a man?