NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #13

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks although at the start of the second week getting everything done in this time period was looking less certain. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

However, as a result of problems with the liverstreaming, apparently as a result of a very large number of observers, remote public access to the hearing was suspended on Tuesday 11 February. It was suggested that it might be reinstated at some point but I wouldn't count on it.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10
Thread 11: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272046-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-11
Thread 12: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272276-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-12

https://x.com/boswelltoday/status/1889576180040319266

Just back from a long country walk so I'm well behind with this thread but the continuation thread #14 has been lined up.

Can this be the same eager young contemporaneous note-taker we know so well? Shurely shome mishtake

Not a computer person.

I mean, to be fair, the under 30s are well known for their poor IT and digital skills, especially those who are middle class professionals.

Maybe withdraw that ref to darkweb?

I have a feeling the judgement will be made on some small technicality and the whole sex / gender thing will be bypassed by the judgement.

Is it gonna get me banned? It's my dark sense of humour.

Yes can allegedly do his own website but an email search is beyond him. 🤔

And here too.

Surely no reasonable person can believe him. As each day passes he appears to be less and less of a reliable witness. He has no solid dates/times to support his claims of breach in patient safety, he's withheld and it appears is still withholding communications and he's rude and disrespectful in court.

I'm astounded NHS Fife have been stupid enough to let it get this far.

J We are below air vents. Please keep voice up.

NC Will do. Colleagues pls nudge me if it drops.

NC On to IX interview with AG on 9 May. Email chain. You thank AG for sending witness notes. Don't see in chain AG email sending notes. You have q, c how transcripts done, should you

I've never worked for the NHS but surely part of their job requirements is technical literacy.

Then he has no business being a dr. Either he’s lied or he’s deluded and incompetent. It has to be one or the other. It cannot logically be neither.

NC correct grammar, etc. Your next email, saying transcript is inaccurate and ask to hear recording.

DU Y

NC AG rather surprising reply is that recording deleted after notes prepped and before you approve. Offers to meet to go through notes. You accept offer of meeting 15/6

I thought NC said the other day that the BMA record all phone conversations (or did I mishear her).

I know, and I don't want anyone banned it's just that posts implying somebody is up to really nasty illegal stuff aren't a good look on here, I think we'resupposed to be minding our Ps and Qs so as not to give any ammo to the other side.

NC You didn't mention this exchange in your evidence in chief and these docs weren't disclosed then. You didn't know at time of ev in chief that we knew about these notes.

DU Don't know what you did or didn't know.

I'm astounded NHS Fife have been stupid enough to let it get this far.

They strongly opposed him being named as a respondent, and obviously failed to get that thrown out.

Yeah it's really hard to type BMA and/or RR into the search bar on your e-mail programme 🙄

There will have to be an adjournment and as NC has another case scheduled and JR, the judge and witnesses may all have a lack of space in their calendars and the court may be fully booked for weeks ahead, it could be weeks or months before the case can be restarted. Plenty of time to apply to the BMA for details of when and how DU was contacted and what he was advised.

JR Mtg with AG not in list of issues

J might be re credibility / reliability

NC This mtg was important detail. You didn't mention.

DU Not necessarily. I wasn't asked about it.

NC We met. I highlighted mistakes and we filled in where words/sentences didn't make sense.

They tried to settle, but SP wouldn't take the money.

DU Don't know what you did or didn't know.

Wow!