NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #12

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks although at the start of the second week getting everything done in this time period was looking less certain. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10
Thread 11: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272046-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-11

It would be undermining to her case if she admitted that the arrogant doctor had attempted to control her ...

Why are pp saying this will definitely go to appeal?

BMA advice similar in accuracy and objectivity to Stonewall legal advice?

Unconvinced by JR's mea culpa except to the extent she was covering BU from outing himself as a complete liar (I know.....) Would not like to be a party to the conversations amongst Jennifer Thomson, Andrew Watson and whatever junior solicitor in CLO was handling disclosures.

Just the Wall of Sad left in the room now

It’s the same for me. I was WFTCHTJ for ages, then it went back to the joining screen.

whether I do cut/paste or type in the PIN, I still get the ‘invalid’ message.

Edit: the relevant tab on my iPad is different, too. It now says ‘Kinly clo…’

Is there a reason the clerks are struggling with granting everyone access?

I still haven't been let back in 😭

It's now saying invalid pin for me too 😡

A deliberate failure to comply with disclosure - by which I mean deliberately withholding unfavourable documents - would be a massive conduct issue for both solicitors and barristers. I very much doubt they would be so stupid.

Same

Re Invalid Pin, I'm getting the same message too (assumed it was me, what with being a total techniphobe). Have also just emailed back explaining and asking to be allowed back in.

Hopefully those of us chucked out, can get in again.

Dr Uptonogood ha ha ha love it!

I left my iPad staying waiting whilst I went to Sainsburys and am now in but no BU or panel now 😤

Probably, given their response to Cass.

lolz at the Wall of Sad 😀

My PIN has stopped working too

I got this - emailed again to edinburghet and got a new link which doesn't seem to require a pin as I'm in

You're correct; I just checked. Both old and new Dr Upton are on the GMC register, with 2 different registration numbers. (The previous Dr Upton is listed as having relinquished their registration).

Well, yes, of course it already looks deliberate. NC is thinking ahead and consolidating her position in advance of further lapses.

IANAL. If the GC views win then the trans community will not be happy. If the trans community views "win" will you happily accept the result? Nope - more interogation of the facts will surely be happening

I'm in but a small picture

i just left and tried to rejoin but now saying an invalid pin!

YES!

If you are getting the invalid pin, you need to email edinburgh. They will give you a new link, no pin needed.

I got a reply within 2 minutes.

Re Invalid Pin - I've just spoken to their contact centre who said there are so many people trying to get in now that they've had to create new rooms and they're moving people between them. I'm also getting the invalid pin message. They told me to email in to ask for a new pin.

@mzdemeanour how long ago did you email them? They haven't yet responded to me.