NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #10

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9

Easy trauma solution to make sure no men are in the CR 😂

Ooh the poor lamb is sad that women have to disclose their sexual trauma before he is prepared to accept that they might need to be listened to... Awww.

That was brilliant

I think she saw it

Well here it is. He is more important than all the women, traumatised or not.

Did he?

It is all such garbage. He works in A&E. When someone is dying right in front of him, he's not going to stand there waffling about cis or large or small gametes as he will get his arse kicked by the senior medics and get a professional conduct complaint as his navel gazing can cause someone to die. He only indulges in this claptrap when he feels like it.

This really is a way for men to both assert dominance and claim victimhood status at the same time isn't it? Best of both worlds!

According to him yep!

11th rule of misogyny on full display here

In answer to @MJHereWeGo on the previous thread (I don't think Mumsnet gives us any way to quote posts on another thread)..

I'm not watching or listening but, from the reports, I don't think there is any need for NC to pull this back. She is giving DU plenty of rope and letting him use it to hang himself. She doesn't need to challenge him.

The kind of aggressive cross examination you see in on tv or in films is not realistic. There are limits to what a barrister can do. You can ask, "you left your daughter alone for 2 hours, didn't you", but you can't ask, "you are a bad mother, aren't you". It is generally a bad idea to accuse a witness of lying, or to comment on the quality of their answer, or to argue with them when you disagree with their answer - all things you see regularly in dramas. However, you can comment on the quality of a witness's evidence in your closing remarks.

nailed it!

Now she’s on to it!
well done NC

I keep having to check that my microphone is definitely off given the very loud swearing & shouting at the screen that I am doing 😡

OMG is NC going there

I am not surprised JR has jumped in

No way! He thinks female patients shouldn't be allowed to have an actual female doctor

I've just logged on live, and I am actually genuinely quite scared by Upton. Red flags everywhere.

No it's not possible to tell from looking at someone if they've got a history of sexual trauma, but it's entirely possible to tell by looking at you mate, that you're a bloke.

NC asking DU Doesn't think women patients should know his trans status

JR objects

I bet she objects. Gross 🤢

Please go there NC. All women with a trauma history and chronic illness are begging you to.

Get in NC!

Yes!!! NC

Yes exactly harassing nature

There are eight topics in 'trending' atm and three of them are NHS Fife tries to silence nurse . . .

Clear contempt indeed