NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #8

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6

Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7

Well I didn't have this line of questioning on my bingo card

JR has a cheek complaining about whether something is relevant after her questions last week which were all about random American articles

Didn't love the Levis diversion

A non-sequitur:

The Young Gentleman is what Oliver Cromwell called Charles II.

I thought we were going to get a 'she is a popular beat combo, m'lud' moment there 😂

NC: It's right that women in general feel taboos more strongly?
BU: No. If you've ever got ready with a group of women, you'd see that it depends. Now talking about urinals. Not gendered, specific to people in situation.

Sharing his experience of using urinals!

I wish she had picked up on the "I'm not male" statement.

It made me recall a teacher of mine, who when someone made an outlandish statement answered with a withering "On what basis do you make that assumption?" It soon shut people up, unless they really had a good reason for their assumption.

He's supposely not male, but has used urinals.

And DrU sharing the same old TRA fantasy that women getting ready together are walking around almost naked

I think NC is drawing out successfully that DU doesn’t have a scooby about how women actually feel about him being in the CR. He is so wrapped up in his own entitlement he assumes that anyone who objects is the problem.

He's now explaining how things work in the gents loos.

How would be know so well in so much detail? He's a woman apparently

He's not male but he knows a lot about how men behave in urinals!

He’s just described a situation in a men’s toilet. Surely the next question would be “and how would you know?”

If this were not so maddening it would be funny. Man mansplaining womanhood

'As a woman'

Can we just end all this stop appropriating a sex that is not yours

DU - [talking about his experience of using urinals] this experience is not gendered
NC - Do you agree that women have modesty forced upon them
DU - yes I feel this as a women, social pressures [paraphrasing massively]

NC: Women tend to have taboos about modesty enforced against them, from victim blaming all through to correcitve rape

BU: As a woman, I feel -[sorry, rage overcame me and I missed a bit - AS] we're all the product of our environment.

He's constantly bringing it back to the fact he falls into the woman part of society.

You have only been 'wimming' for five fucking minutes. How the fuck are you the product of your environment

He is a product of his environment.

I think it should be encouraged.....this whole thing would be over far more quickly 😂

BU mansplaining how a group of women behave when getting ready together.

Jesus.

Upton is very sure that he's very clever.

I'm giving NC the benefit of the doubt here that she's leading up to something but I feel there are a lot more killer questions on this thread.