NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #8

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6

Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7

HJ telling off SR for not objecting properly

JR interrupts to throw in naked saunss in Sweden. Judge points out we are not in Sweden.

I think she's wrong about Sweden. Naked saunas, but divided by sex.

Judge is crotchety. Maybe didn't sleep well!

Judge getting annoyed with JR

Sounds like the defence are arguing that single-sex changing rooms aren't really necessary at all.

I don't think we're in Sweden,Toto

In my experience, mixed saunas still always have separate changing areas. There is a big difference between entering a mixed nude space, and undressing in one, even in cultures which are much more relaxed about nudity.

Then why does DU need to be in the ladies?

Has the sound gone or is it just me?

Exactly

NC - one of your colleagues is Chris Braid. Big, imposing man with tattoos, shaved head.

BU - yes

NC - do you agree that if a female nurse or doc is in womens CR in bra and pants, and Chris walked in, it would be embarrassing, she'd move to cover herself up? Agree?

BU - potentially. I dont see relevance.

Judge - just answer.

BU - Yes, I can imagine that.

Also picked up that he made a comment about "all getting naked together" when talking about splitting changing rooms

I'm so glad he said that.

J: just answer the question

NC - the right thing for Chris to do in that sit, is to back out and apologise

JR - I ojbect. Chris has nothign to do with this case. Unless Chris is a transowman.

Also I think we can all agree that the reason Sweden is notable is because it is the outlier!

Chris could say he was a "trans woman" tomorrow though.

Better questioning

Ask away let's get to the issue

Judge finally telling Upton to just answer the bleeping question. He hasn't managed a straight yes or no to any of them. It's all very slippery.

Yes, go NC!

NC - Jane's getting on my tits.

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He is a product of his environment.

Edinburgh university then!!

@Boiledbeetle you've put me in mind of Edinburgh University Solution of Lime. Which we still used with paraffin for wound care, till it was confirmed to be useless as well as smelly.

DU is a solution of something, that's for sure.

NC had enough of JR's interruptions now.

NC I allowed JR to talk without interrupting.

(Can you please tell JR to STFU)