Mumsnet listed as Anti-Trans

[Hoosemover]

there a list of organisations and Mumsnet is on it. Along with the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

x.com/twisterfilm/status/1888255119449268674?s=61

An unspoken vibe?
That comes under not your mum.

Why should a poster have genuine curiosity about any random stranger?
And what should the curiosity be about?

Why should a poster have spirit of enquiry about any random stranger?
And what should the spirit of enquiry be about?

Why should a poster have positivity about any random stranger?
And what should the positivity be about?

We are talking about a vulnerable (and diverse) minority and exploring whether mumsnet is ‘anti’ that group. I don’t see why my observations and reflections are out of place in that context.

It is all very totalitarian and authoritarian, isn’t it? People are only worthy of not being vilified if they show positiveness and curiosity?

Seriously, what the actual fuck?

So, by your post, people have to show distinct positiveness and curiosity… else they are ‘anti’. Well done and thanks for showing just how directive support for this group really is.

'totalitarian and authoritarian'

Sums up gender ideology as whole beautifully.

Curiosity and positivity are not directive.

I find it interesting that you think so.

And trans people are people deserving of the same consideration as anyone else - the use of the word ‘random’ comes over as very dismissive.

Our white middle aged exes who invariably work in IT and engineering and continue successful careers after identifying as trans are not vulnerable, however much they say they are.

vulnerable (and diverse) minority

Sure
whats vulnerable about Barbie Kardashian ?
whats vulnerable about Beth Upton

How do they fitting into your minority?

These are exceptions, as you very well know. Around 0.5% of the population is trans so yes they are a minority and many are vulnerable. Suicide rates, for example, are above average in this group. As I am also sure that you are aware.

Actually we're not aware, as those stats are completely invented.

The young woman from Just Like Us who I listened to at an event a couple of years ago was definitely vulnerable.

She was a Just Like Us ambassador who told the story of her very restrictive upbringing by Muslim parents who insisted on her sticking to strict sex-role stereotypes instead of dressing comfortably and playing the same games as her brothers, and would have disowned her if they found out she was a lesbian.

Then Just Like Us came to her school… I was so hoping at this point that she’d say they’d taught her that girls could dress and behave any way they wanted, and that being a lesbian was something to be proud of.

No. They taught her that she was queer and non-binary, and now she shares her story in schools. This is a reinforcement of misogynist & homophobic stereotypes, not a denial of them.

Really? Do tell me more…

What stats do you accept to be reliable?

You haven’t given any stats…maybe you post your stats and then they can be debunked…or not

“Curiosity and positivity are not directive.”

They are when you use them to judge whether someone is ‘anti’. I find it interesting that you don’t understand that.

I’m not the one being judgemental here.

I agree helle

i deffo took those comments to mean that if i wasn’t positive and curious that it meant I was anti-trans

maybe i misunderstood

But yes. You are.

I'm crossing my fingers that it's the stats from the debunked Williams Institute or PACE studies.

(Waiting hopefully)

Are we still doing the most vulnerable schtick? Thought that had been abandoned by the TRAs a long time ago?

I find a lot of posts here lack genuine curiosity or spirit of enquiry or positivity towards transgender people.

I had all this back in 2017. I was told to 'educate myself' so I did. And here I am.

You do seem like you want to convince posters here, but in that case you do need to post links to the stats you're quoting so people can judge whether they're reliable, otherwise your points don't hold water.

Darker · Today 16:08
‘Vibes’ are generally unspoken.
I find a lot of posts here lack genuine curiosity or spirit of enquiry or positivity towards transgender people.

curiosity
noun
1. a strong desire to know or learn something.
"filled with curiosity, she peered through the window"

positivity
noun
1. the practice of being or tendency to be positive or optimistic in attitude.
"pupils draw power from the positivity of their teachers"

directive
noun
1. an official or authoritative instruction
"a new EC directive"

Curiosity and positivity are "doing/action" verbs requiring one to engage.
So one has been given a directive when others demand one engage in such activity.

And why do I have to have consideration of anyone else?

Why must I not be dismissive of strangers?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/articles/genderidentityageandsexenglandandwalescensus2021/2023-01-25

For suicide risk, lots of research e.g. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00918369.2011.534038

I’m not qualified to comment on this research.

We are now talking about only some of the vulnerable (and diverse) minority and excluding these exceptions and exploring whether mumsnet is ‘anti’ that group.

How as a group are the many excluding these exceptions vulnerable?

Suicide rates, i am aware that dead people cant fill in online survey to prove the being dead bit so any reliable source for the rates?

MR. STRANGIO: What I think that is referring to is there is no evidence in some—in the studies that this treatment reduces completed suicide. And the reason for that is completed suicide, thankfully and admittedly, is rare and we’re talking about a very small population of individuals with studies that don’t necessarily have completed suicides within them. .

Chase Strangio admitted under oath at the US supreme court that there is no evidence that gender treatment reduces suicide rates and that suicide is rare.

Chase is a transgender rights activist at ACLU and is trans