Mumsnet listed as Anti-Trans

[Hoosemover]

there a list of organisations and Mumsnet is on it. Along with the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

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Have to be curious, have to be positive, have to suppress any discomfort.

It is an integral educational point that has been taught consistently across platforms and at every opportunity. Dr Upton effectively diarised what Upton considered micro aggressions of others. But the list is long.

And let’s not forget the lift scene in this ad. This group is very very keen to shape people’s reactions through shame.

On the theme of 'vibes':
What 'vibes' can a man give off in a lift to a woman who does not know him (even if unintentionally)?

• enough 'vibes' that a woman leaves the lift

Does it matter if the man wears lipstick?

• no! But, but, but,l... if the man wears a dress must the woman ignore her fears?

• still no!

Hmm... so the TRAs want everyone to ignore this.

People used to pay to go and look at the patients in Bedlam, that was curiosity. There were also the freak shows where curious people could go and look at people with various disabilities and disfigurements.

Were these spectators showing they were pro the people they watched or was it horribly exploitatative? Maybe it was the wrong type of curious

Wow, that was a huge accomplishment. Lost is a next level shitposter and rarely posts anything logical.

And they are a poster that has been told this very point more than once. That a person saying they are something they are not has to use their interpretation of concepts developed from exposure to external sources to describe their awareness of themselves.

It is a disconnect that the poster simply ignores the next time they post on a new thread.

I feel I have to thank Darker for saying the quiet part out loud - that if you can't be nailed for the things you do or say, you can still be nailed for "vibes" that any self-identified Righteous can decide they disapprove of.

TRSOH don't just want to compel people's actions and speech, they want to control your thoughts and feelings too.

Recall: Sandie Peggie was Wrong (in contemporaneous notes, no less) for making eye contact/not making eye contact, for talking to the Righteous/for not talking to the Righteous, for staying out of the changing room/for entering the changing room. And the Righteous stated under oath that there was probably nothing Sandie Peggie could have done/not done that would have mollified Righteousself. Bottom line: Sandie Peggie had the wrong "vibes" aka thoughts and feelings.

But, you don't get it: A WOMAN'S PLACE IS IN THE WRONG!

No matter how we respond, it will be interpreted as transphobic if it is anything short of 100% TWAW.

Getting drawn into arguments with people who believe that human sex is a spectrum and/or can be swapped around between biological males and females is bound to end in the same way, even if the trans side were committed to reasonable and respectful debate.

Which they mostly are not - they demonstrate this by picking and choosing which posts to respond to, ignoring the more challenging ones. One or two worthy exceptions, but on the whole, there's no real engagement at the level of facts and evidence - the introduction of the concept of 'vibes' is a good example of shifting the goalposts if things are getting to factual.

They have moved on from 'no debate' to 'debate, but you are in the wrong and transphobic' as a starting point.

Yes, any good points are immediately forgotten.

The poster I have in mind does not come across as someone who really listens so that they can understand what other people are saying (for example, so that even if they still disagree with it, they comprehend what the other people are saying). They have sometimes posted vast volumes of posts on a thread, possibly to fill the thread up and to distract from the actual topic. It can be hard to resist as the posts can be so daft, nitpicky and/or illogical.

IIRC there is an academic qualification or an employment connection. I could be wrong. I find posters who have a personal investment, even indirect via work / study are unable to respond with any evidence that withstands scrutiny. There are at least two or three that I can think of.

Yep. There was another poster, wonder if it was the same one (lol) who ignored, for years, the question of "when you say you feel like a woman, do you mean female, feminine, something else? Can you think of any word at all that might come close to what you feel? ' until one point admitted that all she could say was "it just does".

Total lack of curiosity on her part as to what this life-changing, life-changing feeling might be, how you could describe it, whether it was conflated with social aspects of gender.

I have no idea at this point how it isn't simply easier and plainer to say 'I'm a woman but I want to be a man, so I'm going to change my body so people think I'm a man' but apparently that's not what transgender is.

I don't have an identity as a woman either . I just have the female biology.

I meant that the transwomen are on Mumsnet because they feel that it validates their identity as women. I don't agree with the notion. I find it to be offensive

But why would you expect that other people would show genuine curiosity or spirit of enquiry or positivity towards transgender people?

Especially after poster after poster has complained about getting forced into interactions with transgender people against their will.

No one owes other people gushing attention.

Transgender people tend to claim that actually they just want to go quietly on with their lives. How about offering the rest of us that option instead of forcing us to be props in other people's immersive roleplay?

Why does everything have to be about transgender people? Why do they have to participate in support groups for people who suffer from endometriosis or who has suffered miscarriages or who have trouble breastfeeding? Why can't women be allowed to get some support without transwomen interfering?

Why can't actual lesbians be allowed to have clubs or dating sites for lesbians?

Why can't transwomen show some positivity towards women?

I don't mean that posters have complained about involuntary interactions with transwomen on this thread. @Darker was complaining about Mumsnet in general so I also meant on Mumsnet in general.

Oh, but you are.

That video? What in the actual hell? This is exactly what the Upton case is about!!!! The transwomen get angry when women leave a location that they find to be unsafe. They get angry with women for being afraid of they. (Whereas if a woman accidentally scare someone she'd usually apologize and then leave them alone.)

But of course if we don't leave and then get assaulted then we only have ourselves to blame because we didn't leave! If we don't leave.... well then we practically gave permission to the criminal to assault us.

I saw a Reddit discussion about this ad on Blocked and Reported subreddit, so reasonably sympathetic to GC stuff, and most of the men there just did not get how intimidating it might feel to a woman to be alone in a lift with a large, glowering man.

I suspect the many men simply wouldn't get it. And I also suspect that the Victorian government would ignore any female person's feedback, if they even focus group tested the ad with women.

I think that it was a big fail.

Ah, I misunderstood that comment chain. Sorry.

I don't think Mumsnet is broadly transphobic, so I have no idea why I thought the comment you were replying to applied to me. I've seen one instance of transphobia but the posters were robustly challenged by the other gender-critical posters. (Someone was arguing that TW shouldn't be allowed to try on bras in specialist lingerie shops like Bravissimo at all, the counter-argument being that if someone needs a bra they then they also need a bra fitting and there should be a separate time for TW to shop or a separate fitting area.)

Nonetheless, women, as in the cunty kind, don't post on MN to validate a womanly identity.

The reality for women isn't just being in a lift alone. Like many women I learnt at a young age to be careful getting off a bus that I wasn't being followed home. I had a poorly lit area across the road and if a man got off at the same time I'd check my phone and appear to be walking ahead, only crossing when I knew it was safe.
The reason wasn't a made up thing called gender it was, and remains sex difference. VAW&G is based on the male sex being able to over power women. Fake boob's or lipstick or a femz feeling doesn't change the risk. However, it does increase the 'vibe' of a control issue in the man to say they are what they are not (great that darkness highlighted the vibe issues - own goal!).

He's nearly a head taller than her.

I'm not sure how her leaving makes him feel "unsafe", as there's no one in the lift to hurt him.

Assuming that I've correctly identified the racial backgrounds of the characters, Victoria have adopted the American white elite Left's bastardisation of Black Lives Matter into Black Trans Lives Matter and applied it to Aboriginal people, whilst at the same time leveraging stereotypes of South Asian women as socially conservative and "backwards".

I'm not sure how her leaving makes him feel "unsafe", as there's no one in the lift to hurt him.

Also, why are his feelings important and hers not? I mean, I know why, but it's so blatantly disregarded.

I wonder if the lift was chosen as a setting because of the Tulsa anti-Black massacre? It's common for Leftists to invoke the First Rule of Misogyny and blame Sarah Page's startled scream in the lift for the actions of the hundreds of white men who were looking for any old excuse to put the wealthy Black people of Greenwood in "their places" and seized on the unfounded sexual assault accusations made by someone other than Page who didn't see the incident and that Page did not corroborate when interviewed as an excuse. Apparently, the murderous actions of a horde of racists who aren't willing to presume innocence and let due process happen are somehow Page's fault because she reflexively screamed when a man grabbed her arm.

It's the same "suppress your fear, don't react, put yourself at potential risk" reasoning that underlies this video as underlies the view that Page shouldn't have screamed when Dick Rowland grabbed her arm.

The only thing I’m vaguely curious about is how anyone falls for this nonsense. But then I remember that there are far more interesting things to be curious about, and that they’re just gullible, deluded or stupid.

I had noticed the dull buttoned up cardi look too.
The fit perkey boob square sholder against unfit the midline boob and round sholder will have most women working out risk.

And he is not a happy bunny to begin with tight hold on bag arms tucked in and his sholders hardly move when he did the arm drop.
So even a physically small wound up male and a tight space is not a great idea.

Very posh office lift vibe not the unmaned cark park or methadone clinic lift.

And "boys will be boys kdrama" google (with english captions.)

The sexual assaults in "safe" areas.
Even in the nice office lift 1.45min in the woman in ths skirt is younger and the other woman older.
Then the woman in the empty lift is made to look bigger than her attacker

(And all the girls in families with boys will be told by the boys that the sucess rate for kneeing in the balls is low because boys learn to protect themselves early)