NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #3

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

I think the thing to remember here is that the tribunal is not asking whether or not upton should have been in the female only changing room.

They're asking whether the NHS was right to label SP's complaints about Upton's use of the changing room as bullying and suspend her as a result.

The reason this is so important is because if the NHS win, they are effectively saying that asking a man to leave a female changing room constitutes harrassment in the work place, and therefore women with jobs outside the home can kiss their female only spaces goodbye. Workplaces will be able to label them single sex but if a man uses them and a female member of staff asks him to leave, it's workplace harrassment.

We've gone from the right to equal pay in 1969 to it's bullying if you ask a male member of staff not to watch you get undressed in the female changing room in 2024.

Poor Sandie and family, so awful. I am so sorry.

Is Dr Upton even now making the world revolve around him?

NC is still left just sitting there. On and on.

The poor woman. As if she didn't have enough going on. I'm even more impressed now though at her holding it together for the last few days.

Yes this is key

Thanks @fanOfBen I'm intrigued but probably left it too late

That poor family.

Well, I know what my Fife mum would have meant...

I'm WFTCHTJ.

Is anyone else in?

I've decided to get slightly ahead of myself with the continuation thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

However, could we finish up here before we move across?

I might make a donation to his charity choice as a way of offering support to SP

I'm still outside even the WFTCHTJ has gone. Am I logged out?

Wondering if Beth is having to be coaxed into appearing?

Great post @CheekySnake - how fast women's rights are lost.

Essentially, if it goes against SP, this means employers in Scotland can force women to get undressed in front of men in the workplace and be used as human props. Maybe they'll put it in the male employees' benefits... use of unconsenting women included?

What next - no women walking past windows?

Single sex changing rooms and toilets should be a fundamental right and employers can have as many gender based spaces on top as they want (for the vanishingly small number of people who'll use them). But no men in women's spaces (or vice versa, not that this is a problem).

I'm in, although it is just NC typing

That’s a good idea, I was just thinking that too.

Ran out of snowballs so on to Jaffa cakes anyone want one?

<Full moon half moon total eclipse>

I'm in - nothing doing though so you have time to sort

@HousesofHolbein me too.

What is this?

Chairs for supporters?

Support committee?

Ooh extra chairs being brought in!

What are the chairs for The support humans!

I think the family will see an uptick in donations today. My heart really goes out to them.

Thanks.