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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #3

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nauticant · 05/02/2025 12:27

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

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Harassedevictee · 06/02/2025 11:19

HousesofHolbein · 06/02/2025 11:11

The judge is reading your posts! Passed on your thoughts!

Cables being removed - clearly the message got through.

StellaAndCrow · 06/02/2025 11:19

Fully expecting Dr U to be doing a magnificent performance of being flimsy and trembly. Don’t disappoint me Dr U!

nauticant · 06/02/2025 11:21

This thread is moving quickly enough but it's likely to get even more busy. I'll have thread 4 in reserve and will link to it as this thread approaches its end.

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Chariothorses · 06/02/2025 11:21

Thanks to all posters- appreciate the input from all of you alongside Tribunal tweets -as I am not logged in to the hearing.

Bannedontherun · 06/02/2025 11:22

As a mum if my daughter told me what had happened i would definitely say i will make him a woman and rip his bits of…… does not mean i would its just an angry supportive response.

HousesofHolbein · 06/02/2025 11:22

StellaAndCrow · 06/02/2025 11:18

this is so hard to watch. JR pretending not to understand why sandy wouldn't want to talk about her period flooding in front of her dad

At the Christmas dinner table with extended family gathered and pulling crackers.

Rightsraptor · 06/02/2025 11:24

Thanks, Nauticant.

I've tripped over those things that stop you tripping over cables.

I'm very much looking forward to Dr U's evidence

HousesofHolbein · 06/02/2025 11:25

What time are they reconvening - am failing at multitasking

LipbalmOrKnickers · 06/02/2025 11:26

Just a minute or so now (allegedly)

HousesofHolbein · 06/02/2025 11:27

Thank you - don't want my attention to wander for the next bit

Seriestwo · 06/02/2025 11:27

Once again I rue my inability to lip read

Boiledbeetle · 06/02/2025 11:27

I'm taking a break from what I'm doing so I can watch properly. I wouldn't want to miss the entrance of the next witness.

ILikeDungs · 06/02/2025 11:28

25 waiting in the lobby

BeaTwix · 06/02/2025 11:29

Ok. I’m a googler….things have been spectacularly shit for Sandie Peggie recently.

alexander-herschell-bell.muchloved.com

LipbalmOrKnickers · 06/02/2025 11:30

155 observers inc court bods, another 26 waiting in lobby.

CorruptedCauldron · 06/02/2025 11:31

Thanks for these threads, I’m following with interest. Increasingly frustrated by all this raking over SP, her behaviour, her family life, what she said or didn’t say. It’s irrelevant.

Women need single-sex spaces for reasons of safety, dignity and privacy. People with gender identities that mismatch their sex should be offered a discreet third space if they don’t want to use the one assigned to them based on their biology. It’s not difficult.

Whether or not SP was scared of BU, is all by the by. The heart of the matter is that women need single-sex spaces, no ifs or buts. SP was forced to change with someone who is not biologically female and was punished for daring to raise objections. That is as Orwellian as it gets. Women are people, not gender validation props.

EasternStandard · 06/02/2025 11:31

Very basic question at this point

Where are pp viewing this?

Chrysanthemum5 · 06/02/2025 11:32

BeaTwix · 06/02/2025 11:29

Ok. I’m a googler….things have been spectacularly shit for Sandie Peggie recently.

alexander-herschell-bell.muchloved.com

Oh that is so sad and how awful for her mum to have to come here and defend her daughter like that

fanOfBen · 06/02/2025 11:32

EasternStandard · 06/02/2025 11:31

Very basic question at this point

Where are pp viewing this?

we're observers at the tribunal, see top of thread for how to request access - we can't share the link directly.

Szygy · 06/02/2025 11:33

BeaTwix · 06/02/2025 11:29

Ok. I’m a googler….things have been spectacularly shit for Sandie Peggie recently.

alexander-herschell-bell.muchloved.com

So awful. Poor, poor Sandie. There aren’t enough hugs in the world for her.

ILikeDungs · 06/02/2025 11:33

These extended breaks are just rude at this point

bumbledenbarsk · 06/02/2025 11:34

Personally because I want the whole sordid story out there and for hopefully the legal bods to show how remise Fife NHS have been. To see justice done.

Rightsraptor · 06/02/2025 11:35

ILikeDungs · 06/02/2025 11:33

These extended breaks are just rude at this point

Maybe the next witness is a bit reluctant?

Cailleach1 · 06/02/2025 11:36

Stage fright by accusers at the Witchtrial of Sandie Peggie.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 06/02/2025 11:36

ILikeDungs · 06/02/2025 11:33

These extended breaks are just rude at this point

It's just ridiculous.

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