NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #3

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

Whether or not we think appearance is irrelevant, that the respondent is arguing it is means it is appropriate to discuss that argument. Especially if JR is saying ‘you would never know’ when it is clear.

About a hundred observers, some still waiting to get in

Yes agree, good point, this ideology can be used in power play and to bully and abuse. As is so aptly demonstrated by this case.

Even if it is used against SP?

How will it be used against SP?

@StellaAndCrow
"Yes. Particularly after what was highlighted by the Pelicot case - we just don't know. I'm certainly more wary now."

That is a very good point. It was the sheer number and very 'normalness' of those men that was so shocking; what they were prepared to do covertly. Obviously this was not so publicly known in 2023 but it would be a useful example for the defence - especially if JR was quoting magazine articles...

Of course both JR and the judge have already instinctively 'misgendered' DU.

A reminder that it's best to avoid posts speculating on the motivations of people involved in a live court case.

Threads commenting on the case as it plays out should stick to the facts as they unfold.

Can people be specific about how posts from this thread might be used against SP?

Link to Nitter

https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

SP isn’t in any way responsible for this thread.

Is SP now responsible for all women, their comments, level of deference to Upton and eye contact or lack thereof? Goodness me.

How can random angry women who want single sex spaces in any way be used against SP? Surely if that's the case random male predators like Pelicot, Dolatowski, the wii spa guy who like free access to women's spaces can be used against Upton?

Surely that's a good one for a sweepstake - how many observers will be trying to log in for the final day?

social media posts from SP's husband were read out and used by Jane Russell to try and smear SP.

And she wasn't responsible for her husband's facebook page, but JR still referred to it - even if it made her look desperate.

Late start due to late evidence being submitted by BU.

It is difficult, though, not to instinctively reach for a joke.......

I'm not sure about SP but the point upthread about publicity and derogatory remarks possibly meaning that future hearings are made private seemed plausible. I'd prefer to avoid doing anything that would result in these sorts of hearings being hidden away

SP has a connection to her husband that she doesn’t have with the women on this thread. And the judge already queried what the relevance his posts had to the case.

Hopefully not the contents of this thread! 🤣

Her former MP - Neil Hanvey, a former nurse - put her in touch with people who could support her, I recall.

Thank you for being specific.

Though she managed to make the questioning of MF about Helen Joyce too........She's obviously well versed in the trans activist perspective - just not of the persepctive of her opponent...to her major fail.

@Kucinghitam As I’ve already said here (sorry), I’m worried that the judge will be a ‘just be kind’ adherent. I recently had a very senior barrister tell me indignantly that if a man could pass as a woman they should of course be allowed into women’s spaces.As though that was the test, ‘passing’.

🤣