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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #3

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nauticant · 05/02/2025 12:27

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

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Cailleach1 · 05/02/2025 21:55

Ah, I forgot about the photos thing.

Swashbuckled · 05/02/2025 21:55

Thanks so much to you too @Signalbox!

That one seems to have been taken down now though. Very interesting that photos of him are being taken down.... 🤔

Signalbox · 05/02/2025 21:56

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2025 21:54

Not currently the site got hit overnight the other night with CSA images

Oh really. That passed me by. How horrible.

Swashbuckled · 05/02/2025 21:58

@Cailleach1

Thank you! This is still up there.

Agree about them being taken down.

I have been screenshotting in case they disappear again. Cannot wait to see him in his kitten heels...

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 05/02/2025 22:03

Mayaisashero · 05/02/2025 15:38

Women are responsible for what men do? Rules of misogyny somewhere. It's utterly bizarre.

The idea of sex role stereotypes from the defense are from the Stone age. Actually, no, i think the stone age was more enlightened.

The rule you cite is rule one.

https://4w.pub/the-rules-of-misogyny/

The Rules of Misogyny

#12. Women’s ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry

https://4w.pub/the-rules-of-misogyny

WinstonIngram · 05/02/2025 22:11

I've seen more and more members of staff that work at the Vic change their profile pic on Facebook today to one saying I stand with Sandra Peggie, some of my friends included, it seems the staff are making a very public stance in their support of Sandra

SmudgeHughes · 05/02/2025 22:12

@Bannedontherun I wouldn’t bet on it.

WinstonIngram · 05/02/2025 22:14

Sandie not Sandra sorry

WearyAuldWumman · 05/02/2025 22:14

WinstonIngram · 05/02/2025 22:11

I've seen more and more members of staff that work at the Vic change their profile pic on Facebook today to one saying I stand with Sandra Peggie, some of my friends included, it seems the staff are making a very public stance in their support of Sandra

Ah. There seem to be a lot of those on the comments of the Fife Free Press FB page.

https://www.facebook.com/FifeFreePress/posts/pfbid02k4p8iaiS8wgyNFX6NQnS2wNAZeVYZnDc5CjGxM3GdRdgdftCJBdGehELT4foq25jl?comment_id=1115215787017308&reply_comment_id=1307701730550921&notif_id=1738759567006107&notif_t=comment_mention&ref=notif

Swashbuckled · 05/02/2025 22:17

Thanks so much @Boiledbeetle!

These are different...

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murasaki · 05/02/2025 22:24

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Even if he does this and dowses himself in Chanel No 5, he will still reek of male entitlement, or this ridiculous case wouldn't be happening.

Swashbuckled · 05/02/2025 22:25

@murasaki

Absolutely.

Justme56 · 05/02/2025 22:26

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This sounds like something out of a Lorraine Kelly book.

Swashbuckled · 05/02/2025 22:28

@Justme56

Oh my God... I must have got into some sort of Scottish vibe with all the reading 🤣

Bannedontherun · 05/02/2025 22:30

I do slightly sorry for him in so much as he could never have predicted that he would find himself in this situation.

Having said that i think it is his nemesis, he held the end of the ducking stool and now finds himself on it.

murasaki · 05/02/2025 22:35

He only didn't think he'd find himself in this situation because his entitlement led him to believe that everyone would cave. But he messed with the wrong nurse.

It's all a bit fuck around and find out.

Swashbuckled · 05/02/2025 22:35

I don’t feel sorry for him; turns my heart to flint 😊.

I think I manage the rage by stepping back and analysing; helps me stay sane.

Personally, I hope he gets wet.

(You must have more empathy than me; mine is very selective these days. 😊)

SmudgeHughes · 05/02/2025 22:36

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/02/2025 21:00

If she does have a trans child that explains an awful lot - she sees it as defending her child's rights and she can't possibly accept that she might be wrong because as with so many parents of trans children it would mean accepting that they had chosen to damage their child.

I’m sorry but that simply not correct. Many, many people have trans-identifying children about which they can do little. They are absolutely at their wits’ end, helped neither by doctors nor schools. They have not ‘chosen to damage their child’ at all, and will often have done everything in their power to help that child deal with reality. Rather than seeking to tackle life’s difficulties through gender identity.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/02/2025 22:37

SmudgeHughes · 05/02/2025 22:36

I’m sorry but that simply not correct. Many, many people have trans-identifying children about which they can do little. They are absolutely at their wits’ end, helped neither by doctors nor schools. They have not ‘chosen to damage their child’ at all, and will often have done everything in their power to help that child deal with reality. Rather than seeking to tackle life’s difficulties through gender identity.

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Apologies, I was referring more to parents like Susie Green, not GC parents of children who identify as trans.

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2025 22:41

You have to wonder what the hell these men are thinking/reading/listening to that makes them honestly look at themselves in the mirror and think "yeah I'm totally womaning correctly and so stealth that no one knows". It's just delusional thinking.

murasaki · 05/02/2025 22:44

Well if you want to keep your trans status in the downlow, as it appears he did, even though it was clearly obvious, don't make such a big fuss that you end up involved in a tribunal that definitely outs you. This chap doesn't seem to have the brains that got him into med school.

Bannedontherun · 05/02/2025 22:46

I read <whispers Debbie Haytons book> and it does go some way to explaining although i dont believe everything he says.

And it is delusional and it is disordered thinking.

KnottyAuty · 05/02/2025 22:46

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2025 22:41

You have to wonder what the hell these men are thinking/reading/listening to that makes them honestly look at themselves in the mirror and think "yeah I'm totally womaning correctly and so stealth that no one knows". It's just delusional thinking.

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A complete lack of awareness/mindblindness explains this and a whole lot of other stuff.

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