NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #3

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

JR asking if he has strong views on trans people

Oh that accent!

TBH I am scarfing down the last of the christmas panettone so I don't mind that some of you have snowballs. Nomnomnom.

I'm still unsure what his views have to do with hers...

Brilliant Scottish man - you can tell he isn't going to put up with bullshit.

what does what her husband says have to do with anything?

JR taking him to social media posts Because they have dicks

JR not very kind to trans people

Let's make him racist as well.

Also why is he on the stand?

i love this guy - he's like yeah, so what!

JR seems unable to recognise that being upset and shaken is an understandable response to having to pretend that man is a woman even though he is changing in front of you.

She seems to think that SP has to be afraid that she is about to be raped.

This is what happens when issues of privacy and dignity are subsumed under supposed fears about rape

There's a point to be made her about mosques, but not the one JR seems to be making?

"It's OK to be white" shock horror!

Do his views on islam have any impact on whether a trans woman should be able to change in a female only space.

What the fuck is wrong with "it's OK to be white"?

He's very like yeah "I shared that, so what? "

"so why share it?" Free speech and all that!

I'm not an expert but i'm pretty sure Islam is very much against men in the women's changing rooms.

Why is he here? He is not his wife. She is not responsible for him, his actions or his words.

I'm a bit worried. He's completely natural but I don't see how it can help.

Why is this remotely relevant to his wife?

The judge will surely call time very soon on this line of questioning. It is more about character assassination than collecting evidence.

Perhaps she was trying to have Maya’s evidence dismissed as she was ‘not an expert’ so is trying to prove this?

Assuming they share opinions is madness. DP can't understand the fact that a 5 day test match can end in a draw and still be fascinating and has some trenchant views on this. That doesn't mean I agree with him.

Women are responsible for what men do? Rules of misogyny somewhere. It's utterly bizarre.

The idea of sex role stereotypes from the defense are from the Stone age. Actually, no, i think the stone age was more enlightened.

I think it's a:

How Unlike the Home Life of Our Own Dear Queen

thing.

I'm assuming SP's husband has been called on behalf of his wife?

I'm not sure what evidence he can give on her behalf, and I'd have thought his cross-examination could potentially harm the claim?