"President Trump’s Plan to Protect Children from Left-Wing Gender Insanity" How will this affect the UK do we think?

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https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/president-trumps-plan-to-protect-children-from-left-wing-gender-insanity

Yes, some people will jump at the chance to say, "So, you're a Trump fan now, are you?". But it's all to the greater good if Trump does some/all of those things.

I think he will do it and it will be reported in a way that we don't agree with at all and we'll be lumped in with all the religious, homophobic zealots.

The nuance of the message that it is just as sexist to say liking pink makes a boy a girl as to say that boys can't like pink and must wear blue will be lost. People will assume we think people should adjust their personality to match their sex. The social media comments from the people who think this will be seen as effectively talking for us.

Sport on the other hand will have a good trickle down effect on competition wordlwide.

Hopefully it will dismantle the financial interest of the pharma companies, which will have a worldwide impact. Hopefully 🤞

It played a big part of the Trump Team rhetoric and is (obviously) one of Elon Musk's biggest crusades so I'll be surprised if very significant change isn't implemented quickly. Whatever else may be true of Musk, he is certainly pretty good at getting stuff done. His son-who-cosplays-a-woman has already announced he's thinking of leaving the country because he believes his legal rights to intrude on women's spaces are going to soon be removed.

Not sure how it will affect the UK though, as PP said it might have make our government dig even further in as they may want to distinguish themselves from Trump. I reckon that's probably unlikely though - we very much need the US more than they need us and it's going to be a real uphill battle already for Labour to convince Trump to not screw us completely considering how offensive they have been to him. We also have an extremely vocal GC movement and the trans movement is extremely unpopular; Labour's approval ratings are already absolutely shocking so are probably (hopefully) going to try and stop pissing people off, for a while at least.

The US is very litigious, when the law suits start rolling in the house of cards will collapse very quickly everywhere else.

I think if Trump puts power to this (which is in line with the beliefs of most people), the more the left fight it the more they look like people that just want to mutilate children in line with their own peculiar philosophical agenda. Which is what is happening. It’s not a good look.

Back to reality please!

Also looking forward to the downfall of Trudeau for this reason.

As for Starmer and co… they know they are deeply unpopular and I don’t think they care. With a massive majority (of seats, not mandate) they seem to be focussed on dismantling the UK as quick as humanly possibly before failing to get reelected.

I'm not convinced he will do any of this. He might, of course, but I think Trump is very good at saying what people want to hear, and not very strong on delivering, which is quite hard work, particularly in the US where you have 50 states that are semi-autonomous governments. And then you have other people involved in the decision-making, such as Congress, plus there are a lot of lobbyists for pharma companies and surgeons who are making a lot of money out of gender medicine. So the question is whether Trump is prepared to put the effort into delivering change.

What makes you think that? Especially if it only falls because Trump outlawed it.

Women's abortion rights haven't fallen in the UK.

UK TRAs will still be fighting hard.

Bit hysterical. You don't have to like or agree with how they're going about filling the public finances gap, but if you actually think their goal is to "dismantle the U.K." you're every bit as bad as the Trump Derangement types.

Big pharma is mainly US based. If Trump forces the cut off of PB in the US, Big Phama will find another grift. Sales in other countries won’t be enough to sustain the PB pipeline.

Trump's statement on Twitter

(15) Colin Wright on X: "This is a strong statement from @realDonaldTrump to put an end to the gender madness. I fully support it, and hope I can help his administration make this a reality. https://t.co/p6LtH5pXMs" / X

True but his messaging literally today has been “and now I implement all my promises”. He controls every aspect of the us government. He can do all of it

I actually cried listening to that statement by Trump. That is a clear, unequivocal promise to END this gender madness. Wow. This is literally what we have been praying for. Who would have thought it would have been Donald Trump who would have been our saviour? ( I'm not religious btw, just a bit emotional! ) 😂

It's great, but it's just common sense.

Trump has the ego/ confidence to say the emperor has no clothes. To say - you can call me a bigot and threaten me all you like but this is nonsense, everyone knows it's nonsense except those who've lost their minds. He knows this has won him votes not lost them, he's got nothing to fear from stating biological facts.

Gender ideology is literally the most science denying batshit delusional insanity that I think I've ever come across - far far worse than flat earthers, creationists or anti vax. It's an abusive ideology at core that encourages it's followers to be abusive (see all the court cases that lay this bare). The fact it has become embedded in institutions the way it has is really frightening.

Trump just has the guts to say what everyone else with the tiniest grasp on reality wants to - because he's powerful enough and doesn't care what the cowards pushing all this harm think of him.

I hope he does what he says he'll do.

Yes, some people will jump at the chance to say, "So, you're a Trump fan now, are you?"

Luckily, we have had eleventy million threads on this forum of ploppers arguing just that, so there won’t be any novelty in such an argument.

It'll sure be ironic if the pussy-grabber ends up doing the most to stop this madness. But no less welcome. And on balance would surely do more good than harm in the UK and elsewhere.

I just can't get my head round why this is a left vs right political issue at all.

Oh god I'm feeling a bit emotional.

It's not a left vs right issue, that's a lie and misinformation. Some of the strongest women warriors for child safeguarding on this issue are left wing. Look at the court cases of women who've won discrimination cases - any of them your typical right wingers?

TRAs say it is because people who are pro transing children have no substantive arguments other than 'because I want to' so need to smear those saying 'you have no evidence base and it's harmful wtaf' as far right.

@Janie143 It shouldn't be. As has been pointed out many times, there's nothing 'left-wing' or 'socialist' about the gender movement, quite the contrary.

That's why I am glad actually that so much work was done by women (and men) on the left in the UK to push back the needle. Of course there are a lot of gender identity true believers on the left. But there were also people who were not in any way right wing who really put their backs into communicating the dangers of child transition, removal of single sex spaces etc. And to be fair also people who are more from the right who worked alongside people they disagreed with ideologically. Its much easier to make the case in the UK that this is not a left-right issue and there is already momentum in the argument against. Whereas places where there hasn't been the same level of progress made in the fight back are much more likely to see a doubling down on the idea that if Trump criticises it, it must be good.

Not being a slick, professional career politician means he's very good at calling out naked emperors. The Yeet The Teat butcher has indeed been gleefully peforming "child sexual mutiliation" for money.

And this illustrates my point. People on mumsnet but more importantly in real life in the UK have already had the argument about whether being GC is right wing. Starting that argument earlier gave everyone a head start and a lot of practice in countering any "but Trump" arguments.

I think they might move into the global south if cracked down on in America/the rest of the West unfortunately. There is form for this happening, and while we think of other countries as being super traditional that doesn't make them immune to gender ideology (better a transwoman than a gay man). And just because people are on average poorer doesn't mean you can't extract money from them.