"President Trump’s Plan to Protect Children from Left-Wing Gender Insanity" How will this affect the UK do we think?

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https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/president-trumps-plan-to-protect-children-from-left-wing-gender-insanity

That's actually scary because he has promised a LOT of things (some of them contradictory). I think wishful thinking would be that he implements the policies that sound OK but not the ones that sound batshit crazy or authoritarian. But I think that wishful thinking was how he got elected.

I don't follow what that means in reality for this subject though. Sorry if I'm being dim.

if puberty blockers no longer exist, I don't think that will stop people from believing that they are trans. It may or may not result in them obtaining cross sex hormones faster than if they'd have been on PBs first.

(and I would doubt that PBs would cease to exist entirely - they already exist and pharmaceutical companies want to drag back as much of their investment in R&D as they can, even if it's still ultimately a loss not a profit.

It may mean they don't get put through the trials that they should have been but haven't yet - but seeing as they have been prescribed without those trials and licenses for identity reasons rather than for precocious puberty, I'm not sure that pharma companies deciding not to pursue them will have that much of an effect. Cass report has already recommended that we hold off prescribing them, hasn't it? So the hold would remain indefinite, unless TRA pressure groups manage to convince NHS (or a private provider) to go against Cass.

honestly I have never believed the "big Pharma" part of trans stuff. None of the drugs make any money (generics) and most people don't have surgery nor are they worth a lot of money. I'd ignore that bit as a lead regardless.

It's a child safeguarding issue and always has been. Would also like to see him restore sex based rights on day one. I hope he does follow through on this as it will force the discussion here, and we are essentially hoping Labour don't do their worst on transing children or totally removing our rights.

Globally, the shift could only be positive in things like sports. The US (LA) will host the next Olympics and we cannot have a repeat of what we just saw. Would even be good to use that, to recognise the real female winners of previous Olympics medals.

That policy looks a bit "back of a fag packet". It could cement the gender/sex confusion. Also, "assigned"?

Also this looks ominous:

. As part of our new credentialing body for teachers, we will promote positive education about the nuclear family, the roles of mothers and fathers, and celebrating rather than erasing the things that make men and women different and unique.

most people don't have surgery

Most adult men don't have genital surgery. Harder to find figures on the newer trans cohorts - particularly teen girls who seem to be susceptible to the idea that even being non-binary or one of the other 'in between' genders necessitates breast removal. And there aren't that many surgeons who do gender surgery, so even a small proportion having it can mean a good income for those surgeons.

This is my worry. Already I can see the accusations of siding with trump because of expressing distaste for unnecessary medical interventions to young people with autism, additional needs and mental health issues (which is the cohort most identified in the Cass report and the GIDs scandal by Hannah Barnes).

I do hope that UK politicians are finally waking up to the issues (especially after what happened at Edinburgh rape crisis) and won't use Trump as an excuse to go full on genderist mad like wee Patrick Harvie and Maggie Chapman. They do come across as completely unhinged.

"And I will end the electric vehicle mandate on day one,"

Let's see how that one survives with Musk at the helm.

It'll shift the conversation from ever more gender ideology that we had with the Democrats and would have seen with Harris

It'll help start to turn the tide, and the US tends to lead on stuff. We could see some policies put forward for the next GE, not from Labour though

Unfortunately I agree, it can make pro-affirmation positions more entrenched. It takes a calm discussion to change your mind. I also fear all those kids that got promised a new identity and life on puberty blockers/hormones won't have a slow and considerate way to process what's happening.

This:

Support the creation of a private right of action for victims to sue doctors who have unforgivably performed these procedures on minor children.

Is sure as hell going to focus some minds and make some people very uncomfortable indeed. I am sure there are lawyers circling already.

Wasn't there something a while back about medical insurers refusing to cover transgender surgery lawsuits a few months back?
Once doctors face being personally liable for payments arising out of lawsuits a lot of them will have to have a very serious think about possible consequences. There will always be fanatics who don't care, but it would thin the field down to the most zealous standing alone.

Apart from the 'assigned at birth' 'genders' (only 2, male and female) sounds ok. Won't affect the UK one bit, I should think.

I think it’ll kick any major changes well into the long grass here in the UK. The current government has nosedived in popularity since the election, and seeing how badly this issue has dented the Dems in the US they’ll be reluctant to push anything that could have the same effect here in the UK, especially as, if they get kicked out next election, it’ll all be rolled back anyway.

Wes Streeting had already changed his mind before then (and Starmer was flip flopping). I think that the idea was already cooling in popularity and, as you say, they have already lost popularity and have big, real issues to deal with. There are true believers but I think you are right, it will be easy to point to the Democrat party's loss in America as a reason to get back to proper bread and butter left wing issues.

Great news! if the US does it the rest will follow suit.

I think it will harm the cause tbh as gender critical beliefs will become associated with right wing extremism.
Standing up for trans rights will be a way to show that you are not like trump et al.

Sidhbh Gallagher has gone very quiet ? Has she already done a runner I wonder.

and they still promoted Kamala , even on here. Crazy. God is good and He knows what He does - take your trans circus and your trans monkeys and disappear into an unknown jungle

I have to say, Trumps plan reads like a dream to me.
I really hope the UK follows suit (we usually do!)

I am really pleased for the future protection of children in America, and for the chance of compensation for those who have already suffered disfigurements.

Is that video definitely real? It keeps jumping like it's been spliced together.

I've just watched Trump's speech about his plan and I must confess, if I was in America, I would have voted for Trump on this alone.

It's no wonder he was re-elected frankly.

One day people will be horrified at the thousands of children who have been mutilated and/or made infertile by puberty blockers. It really is insanity to tell a child they are in the 'wrong' body.

All bodies are beautiful and amazing - that's all a child ever needs to know.

Looking forward to seeing this plan begin on 20th Jan.

I've spent a LOT of time on Twitter the last day or so reading about the reactions to Trump's re-election and there are a lot of women who previously voted Democrat who voted for Trump because of this one issue. Trump's advisors correctly picked up that this was indeed an issue, so I do think he will follow through on it. And I HOPE that there are enough astute political analysts in the Labour Party who can see just what a vote loser this is. They only got 25% of the vote so they're not as popular as they think they are!

Unfortunately I don’t think it will. KS thinks he knows what’s best for us all, and we are too dim to fend for ourselves. He has his ideology that he’s pushing and he doesn’t give a shiny shit if we don’t like it. He got in, and he thinks he can do what he likes.

Yes this is my hope.