Moira Deeming in Australia - thread 3

[TheSandgroper]

Following on from busy threads 1 and 2

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5167282-in-australia-moira-deeming-defamation-trial-now-on

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5172553-moira-deeming-defamation-trial-thread-2-from-australia

Keep on discussing, ladies. Change never happens in silence.

Indeed.

I'm not doing any of that. I'm pointing out an alternative, equally fact based opinion of my own to counter yours.

Moira Deeming is controversial. A leading commentator involved with the lib party called her a "shit sandwich" in the press.

This isn't about my views.

@LongtailedTitmouse

You tied this in. You claimed this programme was a good idea because a young child would be able to report abuse that you as an adult and repeated witness of don’t want to report. And now you say it is delicate because they are new neighbours and you don’t want to face any repercussions, but a child is fine to report their mother?

Excuse me? Nowhere did I say that I didn't want to face any repercussions. Why would you say such a thing? And I do want to report it, but I'm not sure where. The program is good as it shows children that such behaviour within families isn't normal. As they grow, these kids might think all parents are like this. If I had known as a child that, no, my mother's behaviour was abusive and I could do something about it, life might have turned out differently. That is the point I'm trying to make here.

It's not courtesy you're asking for, it's asking people to ignore your own reason for your posts.

In my opinion, a reason that shows a bias which colours all your comments.

Amply demonstrated by the fact that most of your input (over 26%, apparently) on this thread has not been about the case, from a feminist point of view, including gender critical issues. But about undermining Deeming's evidence, her character, what she says and her reasons for saying it.

When you wouldn't even know who she was if it wasn't for your antipathy to KJK.

it's quite extraordinary that you're claiming to be a feminist, and a gender critical one at that, but appear to want her to lose.

I know like literally nothing about the Victoria branch of the ALP. I'd be happy if Pesutto lost his job as leader, because he seems like kind of a massive [redacted] of [redacted] and I wouldn't trust him to tell me the time without checking my watch afterwards.
I'd be delighted if MD became leader, that just seems to be the best outcome all round. Fingers crossed. I mean leader of the opposition in the second most populous state in the Australia is clearly a very important job and we only want the best for the people of Victoria!

The program is good as it shows children that such behaviour within families isn't normal.

It doesn't need to be that programme though. It doesn't need to be queer theory based to give children information about what is abuse.

And it certainly doesn't mean that the programme is beyond criticism.

Yes. Mothra.

It feels like there is some kind of disconnect happening here with some people making claims which seem detached from recent Australian political history. But making them with such confidence. And more than one poster.

And not just the Liberal Party. But Labour as well. Kevin Rudd was known for his religious beliefs. Albo was an alter boy. The background of the Australian Labour Party was as a worker’s movement. And had many Irish Catholics. Keating was Catholic.

The disconnect and the judgement being expressed is remarkable.

Bez.

The ALP is the Labor Party.

Bez, MD won't become the next leader of the Victorian branch of the Liberal Party (not the ALP).

Perhaps in a few years she will, when she has more experience. Just not yet.

And posters are just as free to post countering arguments every time you post these claims.

Did you notice that the main point of that article was about her gender identity views? A gay MP criticised her view on gender identity.

Do you or do you not agree with her that the needs of female people need to prioritised over gender when sex matters, and that children require the very best medical care rather than affirming only ?

By the way, you posted a quote from a ex-Liberal Party staffer who now runs a political consultancy. Have you checked to see if Redbridge is on par with those ‘Tufton street’ organisations you discredit?

CassieMaddox Moira Deeming is controversial. A leading commentator involved with the lib party called her a "shit sandwich" in the press.

One of her own party colleagues actually called her a 'shit sandwich'? On the record?? Wow. I think that makes the colleague pretty controversial!

With colleagues like this, who needs enemies, eh?

@Helleofabore

And not just the Liberal Party. But Labour as well. Kevin Rudd was known for his religious beliefs. Albo was an alter boy. The background of the Australian Labour Party was as a worker’s movement. And had many Irish Catholics. Keating was Catholic.

You mean Labor, of course. It would be accurate to describe it as the party of unions. You can call Albanese an altar boy, but so were many of his generation. It doesn't mean he is a practicing Catholic today - in fact, many sources say he is not.

No, it wasn't a colleague, it was a commentator. Tony Barry. His bio is on here:
https://redbridgegroup.com.au/about-us/

He worked for Lynton Crosby who has run several campaigns for the UK conservative party.

The direct quote is in bold in one of my other posts.

It's not some kind of niche view to say Deeming is controversial,much as it appears to be very important to some to make it seem that way.

Did you notice that the main point of that article was about her gender identity views? A gay MP criticised her view on gender identity.

It's extraordinary that this specific issue gets men so riled up.

They just can't get their head around the fact that women are saying no - without permission, without approval, without caving to all sorts of pre conditions and without being humble and saying er, reely sorry about this, but would you mind awfully...

Women just say no, full stop, doesn't really compute.

It's extraordinary that this specific issue gets men so riled up.

They just can't get their head around the fact that women are saying no - without permission, without approval, without caving to all sorts of pre conditions and without being humble and saying er, reely sorry about this, but would you mind awfully...

Women just say no, full stop, doesn't really compute.

Yes, Datun. It's a pattern globally.

sorry I got that mixed up again. The LPA is what I should have written. My bad, thanks for the correction!

yes. Spell check. Perhaps if you look at my many posts on the topic you will see that I usually spell it correctly.

I have referred to it as a trade union led party previously too. However, it was considered to have been started in Barcaldine by the shearers at the time, as I am sure you are aware. Some historians have referred to that a workers/labor movement, hence I swap.

Albo was my MP for a long time, I was aware of his Catholic background at the time.

And yet, as a feminist, I've only ever seen you post negative comments about women.

Loads of them. All of them connected to KJK.

1. *I don't personally care if she wins or loses, I think the judgement will be interesting either way

Perhaps you don't realise that your comments are all negative about Deeming?

Readers Notes:

The articles that are being posted to support the constant misrepresentation of this MP's views on abortion, are from 2022.

The MP has since stated in a nationalwide television interview that she is not interested in campaigning to change abortion law. Plus the MP's own meeting recording has also now been published in the court case where she has stated she is not interested in campaigning for changing abortion laws.

Politicians can hold personal beliefs on a topic and not campaign for making any changes of the law because they recognise the right of people to make their own choices. It is called democracy.

www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/moira-deeming-reveals-the-terms-of-her-liberal-party-suspension-and-why-she-will-continue-fighting-for-womens-rights/news-story/92b78c4d05937f73d0ef34e257645497

Just to clarify, Barcaldine, Queensland. Not Scotland, of course.

I have tried to C&P this whole post from the Roisin Murphy thread, but I can't seem to do that.

It's the wonderful communication from Sheffield DJ, Winston Hazel, standing by the women at Sheffield LWS.

(I won't tag Warrior, who had kindly posted all his words on there, as I'm not sure she is on this thread. So just the link. Though great if someone can paste it directly here?)

It so clearly highlights this repeated dynamic around these events- including the Victoria one.

It struck me so strongly reading this, how differently things might play out if more men like Winston Hazel spoke out.

I won't say more, as I think what he says speaks for itself on the connections to this situation here.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4895430-roisin-murphy-2?reply=138859658&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share