Moira Deeming in Australia - thread 3

[TheSandgroper]

Following on from busy threads 1 and 2

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5167282-in-australia-moira-deeming-defamation-trial-now-on

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5172553-moira-deeming-defamation-trial-thread-2-from-australia

Keep on discussing, ladies. Change never happens in silence.

No idea about when they'll have a result. But from what we can read it seems Moria got herself an ace lawyer who tore the men to shreds and even if she loses the defamation case she's on track to be welcomed back into the Liberal Party and her boss who started all this nonsense against her, Pesutto looks likely to have a leadership challenge. Which couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.

I agree with you. I don’t think the article is relevant except to again attempt to discredit Moira Deeming

Perhaps someone who doesn’t believe that democracies can choose their own representatives will have an issue with it. Particularly someone who might have anti-religion views.

It also seems to again miss the point that Australian politics have always had factions that have religious beliefs. These have not disappeared despite whether this article tries to say this or not.

And to repeat, democracies can choose their own representatives. The attempt has been to try to frame an MP as being worthy of vilifying because of religious belief. Yet no issues since election have been mentioned except her views on gender identity where it negatively impacts women and children which is a secular issue.

This article was full of ad hominem attacks by Ackerman, a candidate who lost his pre-selection bid.

And even here, Moira Deeming points out what has been covered in court and has been covered in these threads. Her religious views are not ‘outside’ the Liberal Party’s acceptable beliefs. Despite all the attempts to position her as ‘extreme’ or ‘controversial’, she is within the Liberal Party’s belief set.

Closing statements from
tomorrow or Thursday I believe.

And the current iteration of the Labour Party says it values Christianity.

https://www.premierchristianity.com/interviews/the-keir-starmer-interview-ive-seen-the-difference-churches-make-labour-will-support-them/17882.article

https://www.thetablet.co.uk/blogs/1/2815/the-labour-party-understands-the-role-of-churches-in-changing-our-country-

Closing statements from tomorrow or Thursday I believe.

Thanks Helle!

In your head that may be true.
I didn't come to this case knowing that much about Deeming, now I do her views on Gender Ideology are the least concerning thing about her.

It's very dismissive to assume your own logic applied to conversations means "all that's left is gender ideology". That's not true at all.

And the current iteration of the Labour Party says it values Christianity.

It would be surprising if it didn't. We are a nominally Christian country.

And even here, Moira Deeming points out what has been covered in court and has been covered in these threads. Her religious views are not ‘outside’ the Liberal Party’s acceptable beliefs. Despite all the attempts to position her as ‘extreme’ or ‘controversial’, she is within the Liberal Party’s belief set.

Yes.

I'll just refer back to the article from earlier:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/28/out-of-stepvictorias-first-openly-gay-mp-slams-liberal-party-leadership-over-moira-deeming-preselection

“Branch members should know better than to preselect a candidate like Moira Deeming,” Barry said.

“It is not the first time they’ve given the leadership team a club-shit-sandwich, and then they’ll be the first ones to complain if we lose and blame everyone but themselves

Very strong language and not related solely to "gender ideology", more to the party members selecting electorally unpalatable candidates.

Of course, we see the Conservative party in the UK now caught in precisely the same "shit sandwich" position.

By your own admission, the only reason you're interested in it is because of KJK.

It's these women, their lack of subservience, and their determination to put women first that draws everybody.

For different reasons, of course

“It's very dismissive to assume your own logic applied to conversations means "all that's left is gender ideology".”

Did you read the article you posted?

Ackerman referred to abortion and to her gender identity views. My post was referring the article. One that you posted.

They are delayed to the 24th/25th I think
Judgement expected in the new year

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/104435112

@Helleofabore

I thought this was the case too.

I meant in this way: "Maybe your inability to see a safeguarding situation that demands the adults aware do something lends itself to your inability to see the massive red flags with the queer theory/gender ideology saturated schools programmes that have been covered here".

I've seen the need for safeguarding. I'm just deeply certain on the proper way to go about reporting it.

The by far most successful leader of the Labour party in my lifetime, was a very keen god-squadder. The second most successful leader of the Labour party in my lifetime was himself a committed Christian and 'son of the manse' which is Scottish for 'my dad was the vicar'.

SKS is expected to move into second position in the league table of MSLotLPiML if and when he exceeds the duration of GB's time as PM (some time in 2026 or early 2027 I think)

Do you know if they are allowed to talk about the case after that? Or do they have to wait for the judgement?

@Helleofabore

If you have concerns, you can contact the state Child Protection Services. That is what that department looks after.

Thank you.

Just a note that Australia's last PM (Liberal) Scott Morrison is and was a pentecostal. He's been attending Horizon Church since 2007, which was the year he was first elected to parliament.

I'm getting very bored of going round the same thing.
She can say her views on abortion are personal. Others can point to her supporters and the fact there have been MPs with similar views before. Equally its possible to find any number of MPs and commentators saying those views are a problem and will lose votes.

So you asserting her views on abortion have been "completely dismissed" is your opinion only.

So you asserting her views on abortion have been "completely dismissed" is your opinion only.

it's more than her opinion, obviously.

And again, factions with different interests are very much a way of Australian politics. Just because one faction in the Liberal Party wants to vilify a candidate with different priorities doesn’t mean that the one being vilified is out of step with the beliefs allowed within the federal Liberal Party or any state branch.

You are twisting my words.
I came to know about it because I follow what KJK is up to. I'm interested for lots of reasons.
I don't go round repeatedly making the same pointed comments about why other regular posters are so invested in this case and would appreciate the same courtesy in return.

And again, factions with different interests are very much a way of Australian politics. Just because one faction in the Liberal Party wants to vilify a candidate with different priorities doesn’t mean that the one being vilified is out of step with the beliefs allowed within the federal Liberal Party or any state branch.

Just like they are in every country's politics not least in the U.K. (both central and devolved)

I'm really interested people can't see the difference between a "very keen god-squadder" in their own time and "part of a political group with the aim to prepare for the second coming of Christ by instilling godly values".

It's a bit like having a personal view on gender issues and being "captured" by GI.

If you want to make claims to vilify a person, other posters will continue to point out the relevant facts on the thread. If you are unhappy with people interacting with your posts, then you will likely to be frustrated by the situation.

You don’t get to make claims that others consider misrepresents the views of a woman who is not able to come onto a thread to explain herself without being challenged.