Rapists will be banned from self-IDing as women in Scotland

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https://news.sky.com/story/rapists-will-be-banned-from-self-identifying-as-women-says-police-scotland-chief-constable-jo-farrell-13220663

Good point about rapists with a GRC.
But then who knows, as the statement from the police seems to be centred around rape being a male crime, which suggests even rapists with a GRC would be recorded as male?
But that assumes some logic....

This adds more crazy complication and legal grey areas to the whole ridiculous mess and helps reveal the madness. At some point sanity has to kick in and send us back to where we were 10 years ago.

We're going to get a rapist suing the prison service for letting a non sex offending man into the women's prison but not him, aren't we?

He's going to say it's discriminatory towards rapists.

We've already had untoward towards paedophiles.

Although I'm more than delighted that rapists won't be able to access incarcerated women, this is still every bit of much of a shit show as it was before.

Although it does feel a little bit 🍿 now

And yes you'll get the non-GRC holding rapist suing because the GRC holding one gets access to vulnerable women and he doesn't.

Then you'll get every rapist in the land getting a GRC (in their lunch hour for tuppence ha'penny).

Great news.

We're going to get a rapist suing the prison service for letting a non sex offending man into the women's prison but not him, aren't we?

Yes, plus any males who don't have the pc of gender reassignment but do have a conviction for violence against women and/or children who fancy a spell at a nice women's prison.

Why should the rapists with GRCs get all the perks?

Yes, it is good news, because it's the very start of them starting to acknowledge that actually female people do have some rights, and it's not just males who have rights dependent on their special feels.

Once you confront the fact that rapists should not be allowed into women's prisons there's really no turning back, because you've conceded that the women in the prison are entitled to rights, and that means that any male in the population is revealed as unacceptable.

Men should not be allowed into women's prisons. Ever. Not with a special certificate, or special feelings, or long hair, or lipstick. Not if they are lovely, or a right laugh, or very sad.

Not if you concede that the women in prison also have rights.

Exactly. If the powers that be are saying these people (rapists) are men and they will not be housed in a female prison then surely the fiction is over. If biological sex now counts surely it has to always count and there can be no argument for housing men with magic pieces of paper with women.

I'd like to know the reasoning why some men can be housed in a female prison but some men can't.

I wonder if we will see a massive dip in sudden onset post-offence transition and a sudden increase in GRC applications. That would be instructive.

This is going to be the crux.

Most people will say, well it's just common sense, isn't it? You don't let rapists into women's prison.

And whilst, obviously, that's entirely true, it shatters the entire ideology in one fell swoop.

Now you're not a woman because you say you are, you're a woman based on your crime.

The legal eagles are going to have an absolute field day.

That's stated in the story, regarding those convicted of rape -
"You can only commit that crime as a man"...

Forgetting the "penis includes a surgically constructed penis if it forms part of A, having been created in the course of surgical treatment" (A being the perpetrator) in Scotland's very own Sexual Offences Act, as noted by @ArabellaScott.

Unless she means that transmen with a surgically constructed penis actually are men, and that biology does not apply in their case. Or isn't aware of that bit of the law.

No problem, it often happens 😊

Crystal clear. I'm sure that every polis in the land is fully conversant in the differences between a transman with a surgically constructed penis who identifies as a man, a transwoman with a GRC who has a penis and identifies as a woman, a transwoman without a GRC who has no penis and identifies as a woman, a transwoman without a GRC who has a penis and identifies as a woman, a man with no penis and a GRC who identifies as a woman, a transman with no penis who identifies as a man but has no GRC ... and so on.

😂😂😂 totally!

Plus, "You can only commit that crime as a man"...

because...?

They're going to have to explain what it is about that crime that makes the person committing it a man

You're right,and it is: but I'm grumpy, and it's been about 6 years since i became about this identity stuff,and took about two minutes to see it was bollocks,and dangerous lying bollocks at that. And watching what I always assumed were public services that had safe guarding and people with at least basic intelligence push this crap is getting tiresome. And I know there're many on this board who've been aware,and fighting,this insulting nonsense longer than six years

Yes. According to Scots law it's theoretically possible to commit that crime if you're a woman with a surgically created penis.

So they're acknowledging that a biologically male person with biologically male genitals is a man, but at the same time not acknowledging that a biologically male person with biologically male genitals is a man as he hasn't used his male genitals to rape?

If a "transwomen" housed in a female prison for a non-sexual crime rapes another prisoner does "she" then become "he"?

Yeah, they're going to have to call these rapists a woman with a penis! Women with penises who commit rape have to go to a male prison? 🤣

And then they're gonna have to call transmen with phalloplasty, men with surgical penises?

I'm almost looking forward to the rabbit hole to end all rabbit holes

It makes a difference to the prison they go to

No-one official ever answers my question does a male rapist (a man who rapes other men) get put in with everyone else in prison? Or is he separate? Because a risk assessment would say he is a risk of offending in prison or getting hurt 🤔 but some countries HAVE put self id "women rapists" in with other women and rumours are flying around of attacks and being silenced in women's prison so...

It's Schrodinger's schlong. A penis is both male and female depending on its certification, crime, and owner's feelings, but this is not apparent until sentencing.

Maybe I'm being obtuse, but couldn't this end up 'proving' that transwomen never commit sex crimes?

Even if they go to a men's prison, we still need to disaggregate their data from the other men, because there are interesting differences.

So we've reached the point of only nice men who behave properly will be granted the honorific fiction of being called women? Really?

It's over then.

Either it's something any man can do, or it isn't. Either any man who IDs as a woman must be respected - whether or not he's a total rapist thug or an angel on earth - or none of them can be. It's going to be obvious discrimination otherwise.

If it's going to be withheld from some men on the grounds that they're unsafe to be in women's spaces then that's it for any men in women's spaces, you can't gatekeep at the door to check offending histories or the ones that haven't been charged yet, it's ridiculous. And it makes it clear it's a big sweet and conditional gesture of indulgence towards men, not an actual belief.

Fgs can we just get out third spaces now, say a firm NO about any men at all in women's single sex spaces ever, and withstand the meltdowns from IW, and all crack on in peace?

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/police-scotland-accused-gaslighting-after-33749070

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24608494.police-scotland-men-charged-rape-never-recorded/

'Police Scotland Chief Constable Jo Farrell ... clarified to Sky News that rapists will not be treated as women in the eyes of the law, whether they self-identify as female or not.
She said: “An individual comes into custody, and if the sex of that person is pertinent to the investigation, they will be treated – in the scenario of a rape – and we will investigate that as a man.”

Stable door. Bolted.

So let me get this straight. They are going to stop someone who is already self identifying as a woman from using that as an opportunity to get privileged access to women and girls from raping?

How does that actually work?

Or is it a lot of word salad nonsense?

In practice this is just saying a lot of words and does not really meaning anything because women will still feel more afraid to report an incident that has occurred relating to a rapist in a dress because they fear being blacklisted and derided as transphobic. And staff in various settings will ignore complaints because of 'inclusivity'.

Women still have no way of telling the difference between a rapist in a dress and a transwomen at any point. And nor do staff working at various places.

This is just a pretense to make it look like they are doing something when actually it's a move that has no real world practical differences except in a jail setting. And they didn't need to do this to enforce women's only anyway, because the women already had a duty of care issue relating to potential risks to them.