"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."

[crimplepop]

KJK going off on one again. Can you see it yet?

I'm fully aware you aren't saying that, KJK is. I didn't mean to imply you were.

And "she believes it's the lesser of two evils" is just one of the possible reasons she might have tweeted that, and I'm not sure it's the most likely one.

My money is on 1) clickbait/ragebait or 2) paid by CPAC.

Cassie, that's not the point. I made a point about single issue voters and Delphinium decided that single issue voters wouldn't think "Trump was saving the world" which wasn't what I was talking about.

I'm not actually talking about KJK as she doesn't have a vote, you've pointed that out several times @Delphinium20, I'm talking about women in America who see this as a single issue.

It is the point. Calm down and process alternatives for what was written; she clearly is talking about what KJK and the anti-Harris/pro-Trump GCs say,not you.

KJK literally tweeted it and you are dismissing it as "provocative". What happened to "when someone tells you who they are, believe them?"

I'm afraid I think it's premature to think the tide is turning in the UK. There are hopeful signs for sure and I'm grateful for them but the fact is that the Labour government have declared that they intend to take us to the very edge of full self ID and that they see no need to clarify the legal definition of single sex spaces.

As for KJK, on the one hand I'm never comfortable when she talks about US politics. Of course she's entitled to say what she likes and she's hardly the type to keep her opinions to herself but she never sounds as if she really knows what she's talking about - any more than I do. But equally and with the greatest respect @Delphinium20, I think expecting her to be a unifying force for English speaking women around the world is absurd.

I'm afraid I think it's premature to think the tide is turning in the UK. There are hopeful signs for sure and I'm grateful for them but the fact is that the Labour government have declared that they intend to take us to the very edge of full self ID and that they see no need to clarify the legal definition of single sex spaces.

Absolutely this.

I'm referring to posts on here which have said they prefer to gatekeep GC movement away from the right and just generally taking time to tear down women not doing it as exactly as they wish, these threads included

That doesn't help women and politicians will not listen to a select few speaking in closed circles

It needs headlines and disruption which women across the political spectrum have gained. The tide is turning thanks to those women, the right included.

As for your anger I haven't posted once on how you should vote.

It is the point. Calm down and process alternatives for what was written

What I say to Delphinium has zero to do with you, I'm not interested in what you think. I won't be engaging with you further on this thread or if I have any sense any other one.

No they haven't they've said they will deal with the legal definition by reforming the GRA. I really wish people would he accurate about this rather than political point scoring.

Labour have been entirely consistent and are going to do what they said they would in their manifesto. That's what the country voted for. It is The Will of The People. The best thing GC feminists cam do now is influence their MP and respond to the consultation when it comes out, as opposed to complaining about "the left" and spending time persuading Americans to vote for a sex offender.

Hmm. I feel like you say this on every thread, yet here you are

I'm not standing by when posters get pummelled for politely engaging.

Noone has said anything about gatekeeping

You are correct @Floisme I'm still pleased women spoke up before the GE to get traction and there were plenty who I'm sure some spend time admonishing on here who contributed

No offense taken...that was my initial thoughts on her, back when JKRowlings issued her essay and I heard KJK speak...I thought she had loads of potential. And her LWS certainly pulled in a movement of women...it was glorious to watch, frankly, but I just wanted to show I was her big fan until I wasn't. And to your point, fetch is never going to happen.

Based on qualitative feedback (so not as strong as a wide-ranging poll) the people who are single issue voters on gender aren't in lockstep to vote Trump

I didn't imply they were, and as you sort of acknowledge, the "qualitative feedback" evidence for whether they would be given more heeby jeebies by Harris's visions or Trump's isn't all that strong. That is what I meant by "lesser of two evils" - that they are both terrible, but your personal resistance to gender identity ideology means that you might vote to keep it out.

It wasn't directed to you. And yes they have indicated they preferred the GC movement to be for left wing women

I maintain they would not have got anywhere without the disruptors and plain speakers making noise

It wasn't directed to you. And yes they have indicated they preferred the GC movement to be for left wing women

There seems to be an assumption on this thread that single issue voters on gender would be nominally left wing women who absolutely wouldn't vote for Trump ever. What if they are Republicans?

We're not just talking about self identifying feminists, just people who are generally concerned about gender identity ideology and its effects on women, children and freedom of speech and belief.

What @CassieMaddox is doing is standing up for US women who see Trump as a feminist threat when she doesn't have to do that as she doesn't have a vote. And one could be pedantic and say, 'Equally, KJK doesn't have a vote, if Cass has a right to an opinion, so does KJK', and yes, I'd concede KJK has a right to her opinion. I don't want to silence her. But I will fight back against her pro-Trump opinions as much as I can because I disagree VERY MUCH with her solution to US problems.

I appreciate what Cass says and I appreciate it when anyone takes a second to consider the complexities of our choices.

@Delphinium20
Vote as you wish. I have my own elections and politicians to weigh up.

Loads of people aren't happy so far here, bar some on mn of course, I'm interested in US politics to a degree and it does get covered. But I don't have the appetite to tell anyone there how to vote.

No offense taken...that was my initial thoughts on her, back when JKRowlings issued her essay and I heard KJK speak...I thought she had loads of potential. And her LWS certainly pulled in a movement of women...it was glorious to watch, frankly, but I just wanted to show I was her big fan until I wasn't. And to your point, fetch is never going to happen.

Sorry for copying and bold in Delph my app won't let me quote your post. I still think she has loads of potential and I consider LWS a work of genius. But I don't think party politics, especially US party politics, is her strong point and mostly I wish she'd keep out of it - not that she's ever going to take any notice of me and why should she.

I'm not sure what your last point is saying?

Oh! I was taking a joke from Mean Girls when the Rachel McAdams tells her lackey, "Fetch is never going to happen." I was agreeing with you that my original desire for her to be a leader of English-speaking women's rights campaigners and feminists was an absurd wish. In other words, it'll never happen. I'm Gretchen 😳

Ah sorry! Yeah that was never going to happen.

Rwanda is a one party state, so left/right isnt applicable but the government (RPF) is both good with regards to progressing women's rights AND doesn't permit legal changing of 'gender'/sex (whilst, unusually for the region, homosexuality isn't illegal)

also just read that surrogacy isn't allowed for gay men