"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."

[crimplepop]

KJK going off on one again. Can you see it yet?

Here's a definition of "purity spiral" from Wikipedia:

A purity spiral is a theory which argues for the existence of a form of groupthink in which it becomes more beneficial to hold certain views than to not hold them, and more extreme views are rewarded while expressing doubt, nuance, or moderation is punished (a process sometimes called "moral outbidding").[1] It is argued that this feedback loop leads to members competing to demonstrate the zealotry or purity of their views.[2][3]
A purity spiral is argued to occur when a community's primary focus becomes implementing a single value that has no upper limit, and where that value does not have an agreed interpretation.[4]

I don't think you could argue based on that, that those of us who are criticising KJK for endorsing a woman hater for POTUS are "purity spiralling"

1. we are in the minority in "the community" here and are definitely not getting rewarded for zealotry/expressing extreme views.
2. we are not focusing on a single issue with no upper limit, that doesn't have a clear interpretation.
3. I'd argue there has been quite a lot of nuance in the debate we are having; it's been wide ranging and touched on lots of topics.

Interested to see what aspects you think are "purity spiralling".

Fortunately I have no real sunk costs in this thread. It's just interesting watching certain people at work. Seen it all before.

OK, so you just dropped "purity spiral" in for entertainment I guess.

Why does this tweet mean she's in payment of Republicans?

I chose not to vote for Starmer. I voted for no-one though I went to vote. Women's rights is a potent issue and the rights we have won are under threat.

A timely question.

This dropped today.

Based on qualitative feedback (so not as strong as a wide-ranging poll) the people who are single issue voters on gender aren't in lockstep to vote Trump, rather they can't in their hearts vote for Harris/Walz (more are upset with Walz due to Minnesota being a trans sanctuary) so they won't vote at all or will write in Beyoncé or maybe their dog. Depending on where they live, it's a throwaway vote OR it gives Trump's side the advantage.

Unless you're deeply on the Maga side, non-Harris voters don't believe Trump "will save the world" ffs. KJK is as hyperbolic as he is!

Aren't some of you feminists annoyed that we US women can't work easily with you UK women in shared feminist goals when many think we're stupid to be against Trump? Back to what I said earlier, I wanted KJK to be a populist leader who could unite English-speaking women around the world for women's rights, but she has utterly failed in that. Doesn't it irk you to see how she failed not just your US feminist sisters, but didn't help Australia or New Zealand either? They too are struggling to get left wing support for women's rights. Look at what Sal Grover has been through? We won't win if we can't get the left wing to support us! How is that not blatantly obvious? We have been saying over and over that KJK is a liability but heads in the sand "she doesn't speak for us" but you won't condemn her either! You'd rather be loyal over a fucking cliff!

I was lucky to be able to vote for Julia Long. Have joked elsewhere that in the States the party that comes closest for me is The Prohibition Party: pro-choice, non-interventionist foreign policy, anti death penalty, opposition to pornography, and other things I'm on board with. Am willing to overlook their stand on temperance.

Jesus Christ.

We don't think you are stupid. We think you can make up your own minds and have your own opinions.

Just like KJK can.

Perhaps if you all stopped posting thread after thread after thread after thread after thread she wouldn't hold so much of your headspace.

Oh for goodness sake alison
People can post what they like. There are repetitive threads on here all the time.
If you don't like it don't post on them but there is no need at all to be so rude to someone.

As timely as this:

https://www.propublica.org/article/georgia-abortion-ban-amber-thurman-death

I wouldn't vote for Trump (and I didn't vote Conservative either) but I've come to the conclusion that it's delusional to believe the left are ever going to support us.

Is there any country or state with a left of centre government that's come down on the side of women and children on this issue? If you know of one please post and I'll be all ears. But basically I think we're on our own, vipers, and the sooner we realise it the better.

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That poor woman. And her poor family. So completely unnecessary.

"The left" are not a hive mind.

Lots of posters on here were worried Labour wouldn't implement the findings of the Cass review - but they have.

A better question might be "Is there any country or state with a left of centre government that's come down on the side of women and children on this issue?" And a follow up of "and are they better for women and children as a whole than the UK government?"

I've never believed this is a left v right issue, seeing the reaction to KJK endorsing a sex offender only does more to make me think that even more strongly.

Very glad so many UK voters saw through the divisive approach in July and have my fingers firmly crossed the Americans do the same in November.

Your regular polite reminder that I'm not interested in engaging with you @CassieMaddox

I think you'd have to be firmly wedded to mn and mostly pro Labour posts to think the current gov is well received.

Your regular polite reminder that I can reply where I like on a public forum flo. Feel free to scroll past

I see some signs of hope. Some key senators either didn't allow the Equality Bill to come to a vote, ignore trans issues entirely and/or only use 'women' when speaking on women's issues and some show up to women's sporting events and talk about 'females' in sports. It's not endorsement, it's not condemnation, but in TRAlalaland if you're not the biggest cheerleader, you can't be an ally and it's intriguing to watch big Dem names be silent on this issue and risk 'allyship'. Especially Klobuchar who is from the same state as Walz. Unless I missed it, when I tracked senators during Pride, a larger chunk of them showed up and only promoted lesbians and/or gay men. I won't even name them because I fear that TRAs will see it and consider it a rebellion!

Kara Dansky goes further behind the scenes of Democrat territory and talks about it in her newsletter, and while she doesn't think we're even close to be done fighting gender identity, she sees a pullback from the intensity of support we saw from 2018-2022.

Also, I am VERY VERY grateful for the tide turning in the UK...the Cass Report and Starmer's health secretary, Wes Streeting who promised to support its findings. It's Labor, after all, which is far to the left of majority of our Democrats!

I was lucky to be able to vote for Julia Long.

Very jealous!

That turning tide is down to women who have spoken up. Including those on here or not Labour supporters

Women who some spend time castigating

I think most people think it's too early to tell.

In any case though it's a good example of the kind of question people ask that can't be answered.

Is there any country or state with a left of centre government that's come down on the side of women and children on this issue?

No. As far as I'm aware there are no countries full stop that have "come down on the side of women and girls on this issue". Countries that are more restrictive on trans rights also seem to be more restrictive on women's rights as far as I know.

If someone can give an example of any country that's supportive of women and girls on this issue and all the others, then I'm happy to hear about them.

Meanwhile the constant refrain of "the left" is getting dull and increasingly irrelevant now we have 5 years at least of "the left" to look forward to.

Plus the Conservatives frontrunner (Jenrick) is basically not committing to single sex spaces, yet again showing this isn't a left v right issue.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/voters-worry-about-more-than-single-sex-spaces-robert-jenrick-says-dtr6qd087

And then some of the same women who then turn and castigate US women who vote against Trump. Can't you see that? It's fucking insulting. You speak up for women in UK, we benefit across the pond, and then when we don't vote the way you THINK we should vote (name one time I jumped on any UK woman for how she voted in her own election), it's 'castigating'. No. It's not. We keep saying if you want to help us, stop telling us Trump is our man. He's not. We know better.

Based on qualitative feedback (so not as strong as a wide-ranging poll) the people who are single issue voters on gender aren't in lockstep to vote Trump, rather they can't in their hearts vote for Harris/Walz (more are upset with Walz due to Minnesota being a trans sanctuary) so they won't vote at all or will write in Beyoncé or maybe their dog. Depending on where they live, it's a throwaway vote OR it gives Trump's side the advantage.

Unless you're deeply on the Maga side, non-Harris voters don't believe Trump "will save the world" ffs. KJK is as hyperbolic as he is!

Why have you implied that I was talking about Trump saving the world? I don't believe that and you don't have to believe it to vote for him. I also don't think KJK thinks it either, she's making a provocative statement because she thinks it's the lesser of two evils, which is the kind of single issue focus I'm talking about. Not all these people are democrats, are they? Not all people who might vote democrat are completely wedded to them.

It's the topic of the thread eresh. KJK tweeted it. delphinium wasn't aiming that at you