Olympic Boxer names J K Rowling in lawsuit for cyberbullying

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https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/jk-rowling-elon-musk-imane-khelif-lawsuit-1236105185/

J.K. Rowling and Elon Musk have both been named in a criminal complaint filed to French authorities over alleged “acts of aggravated cyber harassment” against Algerian boxer and newl crowned Olympic champion Imane Khelif.

Nabil Boudi, the Paris-based attorney of Khelif, confirmed to Variety that both figures were mentioned in the body of the complaint, posted to the anti-online hatred center of the Paris public prosecutor’s office on Friday.

The lawsuit was filed against X, which under French law means that it was filed against unknown persons. That “ensure[s] that the ‘prosecution has all the latitude to be able to investigate against all people,” including those who may have written hateful messages under pseudonyms, said Boudi. The complaint nevertheless mentions famously controversial figures

It's not about playing nice. It's about playing fair. Which should underpin all sports. Otherwise, what's the point?

I read an interesting biography of Lance Armstrong; I'm not into cycling but found it a fascinating study of a sociopath.He still insists he's not a cheat, because the dictionary definition of cheating is gaining an unfair advantage over your opponents. As pretty much everyone was doping, therefore he's not a cheat in his mind. I also find it intriguing how the Tour de France commentators skirt round the awkward issue of the Armstrong victory years, as apparently they haven't retrospectively awarded the title to the ones who came second. As they're almost certain he was cheating too. So they just pretend it never happened, and that it's definitely all ok now. My partner is really into the TdF and has this disconnect about it too. I don't think Khelif is as arrogant as Armstrong, but some of those surrounding them are.

Yes. We get it.

You don't believe these male athletes who put female athletes in such danger should take any responsibility for their actions at all. Because, 'all by the rules'.

I mean, any loophole found is good to go, yeah? No integrity needs to be shown by a UNICEF ambassador that is supposedly there to inspire girls to achieve their full potential?

And you cannot conceive how your attitude would play out in all these other 'grey' areas in life. And you are on a feminist board saying this?

I do appreciate that his being allowed to compete was the responsibility of the IOC.

However, without the males attempting to compete in the women's category of any sport, there would be no need for strict and foolproof rules to protect the female category - if we could believe everyone's paperwork that would be enough.

Him, and others like him are driving this demand that they be allowed to compete as women.

Encroaching on women's spaces.

He might not be intending to do this, but his actions are having this effect nonetheless and we are all responsible for our own actions.

He didn't find it last week that he is a male.

Bring back sex testing in sport.

JKR has merely spoken the truth. Emperors new clothes.

But the burden should not be on individual athletes to arbitrate on what's fair. They are not experts on ethics or biology. It is up to the regulatory bodies.

It's a bit like discovering a new performance enhancing drug that hasn't been outlawed yet. Taking it and competing wouldn't be against the rules. But if you knowingly did this you'd be a cheat IMO.

There is a difference between 'playing nice' and having integrity and respect.

I think we can see what you are failing to grasp here.

And again, we see that you absolve athletes for having personal integrity. You cannot answer any of the questions put to you that involve making a choice that shows integrity.

Win, whatever it takes, it is all great. Just go for the win.

The individual athlete in this case started boxing at 17.

After male puberty.

After the three male athletes with DSDs captured the podium in Rio.

Let's not pretend the individual athlete had no idea and was completely innocent in this.

Would you though? What if in your head, it was just a supplement? Until it is classified, it's fair enough isn't it?

I don't think Imane should be targeted. I don't think we should be targeting individual athlete's or judging which ones have "personal integrity". That way madness lies.

It wasn't "inflammatory". If he is XY and has DSD 5-ARD then he is male and therefore a cheat. Bearing in mind, he has previously been tested and banned for exactly this reason.

Why is it "inflammatory" for women to point out that we're being treated unfairly? Are we supposed to just take it, roll over and be "sweetly feminine" about it so we don't upset the menz? Seems like tone policing of how women are permitted to speak about our own rights and safety to me. Don't you think that's rather misogynist? Especially given the thousands of hate-filled violent threats (including of rape and death) and defamations JKR has herself been subject to.

Also she doesn't primarily talk "about trans". In ALL these cases, even when it involves "trans" (usually men identifying as trans women) she is primarily talking about WOMEN'S RIGHTS AND SAFETY. Including in this context. That so many have decided to interpret her talking about women's rights and safety as being about "her views on trans" and ignoring what her prime focus is just goes to show how utterly misogynist this ridiculous, narcissistic, bigoted men's rights movement is. They can't imagine why anyone would care about mere women, when it's the men who always have to be more important. More fool any woman who's actually still pandering to the nonsense like a sap.

Oh come on now, be was literally banned from the women's category by the IBA.

In which case, why did he even try to enter the Olympics as a woman? He's anyway pushed the boundaries and been told no.

The IBA should have been in charge if boxing at the Olympics.

This is technicality after technicality.

Why are you so set on absolving him of any responsibility?

You are propagating the narrative of the " poor little woman who had no idea about 'her' high testosterone".

It's just bollocks.

Literally.

You do realise that people respect sports people for their 'personal integrity'?

That is why people actually respect sports people?

This is discussion seems complete surreal.

She's got very deep pockets. I get the feeling she has been trying to force someone to take her to court so she can present her case legally and get a ruling.

Which I hope and expect will be that her view is protected under the equality act.

The impacts of testosterone is a very well known and well researched topic.

It is not an unknown 'supplement'.

That makes your point completely irrelevant.

Everybody is morally responsible for his or her choices.
Males have voluntarily declined to compete with females because they know it's unfair.

So bringing it back to the court case, this seems like tone policing writ large.

The nasty woman pointed out the male violence but she was so shrill and mean about it.

That's what this comes down to, isn't it?

If the 'defaming' is claiming Imani was male then surely some proof that he isn't male will be required legally?! Beyond an F on a passport?

" the dictionary definition of cheating is gaining an unfair advantage over your opponents. " Imane has an unfair advantage over female boxers of the same category so by dictionary definition is a cheat. Imane has XY chromosomes, that makes him a man. He is believed to have a dsd and therefore to have been incorrectly assigned female at birth. Finding that out when he went through male puberty must have been very distressing and if he had stayed out of female sport everyone would have a lot of sympathy for him. But Imane, knowing he had an unfair advantage (dictionary definition of cheating remember) chose to box in the female category, not with men.

Nope.

Apparently, if a sports person can find a loophole to exploit, they bloody well should even if it poses a significant danger to others.

Because these individuals, who have suffered so much more hardship than any of the female boxers they displaced and maybe even injured, need to never have integrity and respect for their sport or their opponents. They are to be given all the sympathy and none at all ever to given to female people who cannot access that same advantage of male puberty. That is those female athlete's burden to bear and to never complain about.

Because complaining may make the athlete's taking advantage of very poorly formed regulations feel bad about themselves and their informed decisions.

It's interesting how suddenly it's all the IOC's fault. Personally, I'd like to see all the paperwork and history of who persuaded the IOC to make this ridiculous rule in the first place.

They didn't just make it up out of no-where. And it certainly won't have been women athletes.

Other than Harper and their absurd 'study', who else was involved? Was it Press for Change?

Because we're currently in yet another situation where you can't blame Khelif, because it's the IOC, and you can't blame IOC because 'rules'. And those rules are the only thing that allow people like Khelif in, in the first place.

So who started it!

DSD people like Khelif? Or TRAs? Because it should as shit isn't going to be the female athletes who are being used as fodder for crap males.

Every revolting participant suddenly whining it's not me mum.

I was going to say this. Apart from anything else, suing people in other countries is going to get really expensive.

Can I ask a genuine and sincere question and I hope its taken in the manner its meant. There are a lot of people on this thread calling Khelif 'he' or 'a man'.

Now details are muddy as the IBA and IOC have not been clear. I know there are other theories but I would be grateful if the below premise could be taken at for the purposes of my question.

It seems most likely they have Swyer syndrome. I believe the reports they were assigned female at birth, have female on their passport. The following is from the national cancer institute:

They have normal female reproductive organs, including a uterus, fallopian tubes, and vagina. However, the ovaries do not develop and are replaced by clumps of tissue where they would normally form. Swyer syndrome is usually not diagnosed until puberty, when menstrual periods do not begin as they should

So born and socialised as female with female looking anatomy. Maybe they found out at puberty they have this medical condition.

Now, I do understand saying, unfortunately for the purposes of high level competitive sport you cannot compete due to this medical condition. I get that. But I feel its a real jump to then have everyone insist on calling you 'he' 'a man'. Your outward appearance and lived experience is as a woman.

There is the condition the otherway around where people with xx chromosomes look male and have male genitalia:

XX testicular difference of sex development is a condition in which individuals with two X chromosomes in each cell, the pattern typically found in females, have a male appearance. People with this condition have male external genitalia.

You can't tell someones chromosomes from looking at them so would you be comfortable with someone male presenting with a penis getting changed in womens areas and going into female spaces?

The conversation about protecting womens sports are valid and needed and it may be fair to call Kelhif out if they knew and didnt say but its a big jump to call them a man. Genuinely interested in thoughts.

yes.

Having been through two testing cycles with the IBA and then an independent set of testing to verify, I doubt that this athlete can ever claim to 'not understand' their personal medical situation.

Calling male people "man" or "he" isn't inflammatory unless you're part of a reality-denying cult. A huge part of the current mess is because reasonable people allowed others to tell lies without any come back because we were trying to be kind. That misplaced kindness was abused so now we're back to speaking truthfully.

As for the how much responsibility IK bears, "It's not my fault nobody stopped me" is the argument of a child and cannot be used by any mentally competent adult. Of course the IOC have a lot to answer for, but IK is a full adult who had all the facts (having male puberty and then the results of the sex tests) and made the choice to punch women. He gets precisely zero sympathy from me.