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Olympic Boxer names J K Rowling in lawsuit for cyberbullying

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Dominoodles · 14/08/2024 07:47

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/jk-rowling-elon-musk-imane-khelif-lawsuit-1236105185/

J.K. Rowling and Elon Musk have both been named in a criminal complaint filed to French authorities over alleged “acts of aggravated cyber harassment” against Algerian boxer and newl crowned Olympic champion Imane Khelif.

Nabil Boudi, the Paris-based attorney of Khelif, confirmed to Variety that both figures were mentioned in the body of the complaint, posted to the anti-online hatred center of the Paris public prosecutor’s office on Friday.

The lawsuit was filed against X, which under French law means that it was filed against unknown persons. That “ensure[s] that the ‘prosecution has all the latitude to be able to investigate against all people,” including those who may have written hateful messages under pseudonyms, said Boudi. The complaint nevertheless mentions famously controversial figures

JK Rowling, Elon Musk, Imane Khelif

J.K. Rowling and Elon Musk Named in Cyberbullying Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif After Olympic Win (EXCLUSIVE)

JK Rowling and Elon Musk are named in a cyberbullying complaint filed by Olympic champion boxer Imane Khelif, according to her lawyer.

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/jk-rowling-elon-musk-imane-khelif-lawsuit-1236105185

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Rummly · 14/08/2024 09:37

How does he expect the French courts to deal with people posting from the UK and the US?

This is just a stunt.

Beamur · 14/08/2024 09:38

Not sure this is a wise decision.

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/08/2024 09:44

rabbitwoman · 14/08/2024 08:30

This is typical eustress.

Eustress is the opposite of distress. You get away with so much that you become euphoric, then over confident that you can get away with more and more, and we have all seen it! Khalif won a gold medal, was paraded about on the shoulders of the trainers, has adulation and support from all around the world and is feted as not just an Olympic champion, but some kind of LGBTQ+++ hero and feminist icon, DESPITE everything, so probably thinks this will be easy.....

Also, I think Khalif is being hugely exploited, and might not actuality be the driving force behind this. Khalif is just a figure head, there are dozens of people interested in pushing this law suit and they are probably all experiencing heightened levels of eustress themselves.

Khalif might find it hard to back down, as the decision to plough ahead is someone else's.

I agree.....this goes beyond Khelif. Khelif is merely the pawn being played by others for their own ends.

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/08/2024 09:47

PermanentTemporary · 14/08/2024 08:30

I would like all these furores to stop being based on pictures or supposedly masculine/feminine behaviour of individuals (forlorn hope). It was noticeable too that Khelif got a lot more attention than the other boxer, which will have increased the harassment they got.

If the case is proved I hope future protests focus where they should- on institutions.

Indeed, Khelif has been requistioned by many different groups to further their own agenda. By Islamists to further their cause. By trans activists to further theirs; by the Algerian sporting bodies in order to boost their medal haul; by the IOC as a test case for their policy of 'inclusion'.

OuterSpaceCadet · 14/08/2024 09:51

Agree with various points made by pp.

After Semenya the trust is gone. And rightly so as the IOC continue to behave in an untrustworthy manner. How else can women claw back their rights without, well, speaking about it?

How on earth will prosecutors be able to lay the blame with Rowling or Musk when it is the actions of the IOC which put IK in this position?

And what about all the usual misogynists who came out to defend IK with the same whataboutery and "women ought to try harder" and ridiculous claims about natural advantage we've seen before? If they'd just been honest from the off and said "I don't agree with women's sports having its own category" we'd not have been arguing as much about these individual athletes.

RadicalisedPastThePointOfSalvation · 14/08/2024 09:55

I’m going to set up a crowdfunder. Any spare funds will be spent on popcorn.

Mymanyellow · 14/08/2024 09:57

While it’s true that the IOC shoulder a lot of the blame for letting him box. He did it. He punched women in the face knowing he was cheating.

Killingoffmyflowersonebyone · 14/08/2024 10:07

LargeSquareRock · 14/08/2024 08:24

I think Khelif is going to find out what happens when you punch above your weight.

Musk and Rowling have called him male. Which he is.

Quite!

And the Boxing Governing body (forget the name) has confirmed he is male...so you can't really argue with that either.

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/08/2024 10:09

Mymanyellow · 14/08/2024 09:57

While it’s true that the IOC shoulder a lot of the blame for letting him box. He did it. He punched women in the face knowing he was cheating.

I do think there is space for compassion for Khelif. Brought up poor, and thinking he was a girl in a highly sexist, traditional society......but was then manipulated and encouraged by those around him into a pathway which allowed him to maintain some semblance of a female identity, whilst effectively living as a male.

Snowypeaks · 14/08/2024 10:16

It's for publicity. He can retire from boxing and go on speaking tours in America and other sympathetic countries. There'll be a book. Perhaps a (heavily curated) fly-on-the-wall documentary series.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 14/08/2024 10:22

AlwaysSometimesRarelyNever · 14/08/2024 08:56

The Australian break dancer, I don't know how she is coping with the amount of ridicule she us getting on social media.

Many wouldnt have even clocked break dancing was in the Olympics without her performance and it feels disproportionate and wrong. She was let down by the Australian Olympic selectors. But, also there has been cruelty to her in social media and just by normal people, in a way that the high jumper who knocked down the pole with his dick hasn't received.

The boxing is different because it is a physical sport and not only have these boxers had an unfair advantage, but it feels and is violent. But they were allowed to compete, wrongly IMO. They have supporters in their home countries.

I am a massive fan of JK Rowling, both her writing and her politics.

But, I do think there are people at the heart of these stories. We need to name the selectors, the Olympic decision makers and pilot them front and centre. I think in a really waffly way, I have said what another poster said in a sentance, the focus should he on the institutions.

Gosh, I missed the high jumper knocking down the bar with his dick. I'm seriously impressed! No need for a pole!

Barbadossunset · 14/08/2024 10:28

LargeSquareRock · Today 08:24
I think Khelif is going to find out what happens when you punch above your weight

Who will be paying Khelif’s legal fees? The Algerian government? A crowdfunder? French legal aid, ( if such a thing exists)? The IOC who allowed him to box?
As LargeSquareRock says, he’s up against the big guns here.

OrangeSlices998 · 14/08/2024 10:32

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/08/2024 10:09

I do think there is space for compassion for Khelif. Brought up poor, and thinking he was a girl in a highly sexist, traditional society......but was then manipulated and encouraged by those around him into a pathway which allowed him to maintain some semblance of a female identity, whilst effectively living as a male.

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Inane didn’t discover last year they were born male, at least they knew as a teen once they didn’t get periods or experience female puberty. This has been known for a while and he is complicit. If he actually was biologically female he’d have appealed the IBA ban with CAS; but then all the findings would be dismissed public like they are now with CS and hence he can’t claim ignorance. I don’t feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for the women he’s hit and the gold medal he stole.

Runsyd · 14/08/2024 10:32

I wonder why Khelif chose to sue two of the richest people in the world and none of the tens of thousands of other people who expressed similar views on Twitter? Absolute mystery.

Snowypeaks · 14/08/2024 10:33

Barbadossunset

As to who is funding Khelif's action, if it's not anyone on your list, it'll be one or more of the billionaires and billionaire foundations which fund gender ideology.

JFDIYOLO · 14/08/2024 10:33

I hope an independent and verifiable DNA test will be a required piece of evidence in this case

DworkinWasRight · 14/08/2024 10:38

Runsyd · 14/08/2024 10:32

I wonder why Khelif chose to sue two of the richest people in the world and none of the tens of thousands of other people who expressed similar views on Twitter? Absolute mystery.

With the caveat that I don’t know anything about French law, this seems to be a criminal complaint, rather than a civil suit for financial gain. The complaint is being made about X for hosting harassment, rather than about individuals - even though individuals are named as examples of the harassment.

mansplainingsincethe90s · 14/08/2024 10:43

I'm missing something here. Why is everyone calling Imane him? She's not a man. She's not a trans woman who used to be a man.

I'm surprised that of all people she has been picked on so much. She's incredible. Came from a poor background. Worked her arse off training to become a pro boxer. And now Olympic champion. She should be rightly lauded as a hero for women's boxing, not vilified.

PorcelinaV · 14/08/2024 10:43

MidnightPatrol · 14/08/2024 08:14

I think it would be helpful if Imane Khelif just released the evidence to show they are biologically female ie XX and then this entire debate would go away.

Apparently her trainer confirmed XY in an interview.

https://x.com/mindsci/status/1823025214671683909

x.com

https://x.com/mindsci/status/1823025214671683909

Davros · 14/08/2024 10:52

As I've said before, it's Oscar Wilde all over again. When he sued the Marquis of Queensbrry for calling him a "sodomite" evidence was presented to confirm he was, indeed, a sodimite. Oscar did hard labour in Reading Gaol and died a broken man. He was encouraged by others to prosecute the case and did so very unwisely

midgetastic · 14/08/2024 10:57

mansplainingsincethe90s · 14/08/2024 10:43

I'm missing something here. Why is everyone calling Imane him? She's not a man. She's not a trans woman who used to be a man.

I'm surprised that of all people she has been picked on so much. She's incredible. Came from a poor background. Worked her arse off training to become a pro boxer. And now Olympic champion. She should be rightly lauded as a hero for women's boxing, not vilified.

I think you are missing the fact that this person appears to have XY chromosomes- which in normal language means they are a man

That appears to be the basis behind which they were previously disqualified from women's events

Awful situation for them if they have been raised as a woman - and cruel to put them through this

Barbadossunset · 14/08/2024 10:57

Thank you Snowypeaks.
When someone’s court case is funded by someone else, is the funder named or is that kept secret?

LaurieFairyCake · 14/08/2024 10:58

Really nervous about this - JK NEEDS to win or we're all fucked

Snowypeaks · 14/08/2024 10:58

I think the basis of the case is unlikely to be whether Khelif is or is not male, it will be something like

  1. speculating about my sex and calling me/implying I am a cheat led to online harassment because it was from a big account, and
  2. X should have shut down speculation or harassment

What I don't get is what jurisdiction the French courts have. Unless they've passed a law like the Scottish one which means that anyone posting from anywhere who is complained about by anyone comes under French jurisdiction? In which case, good luck with that.

Snowypeaks · 14/08/2024 10:59

Barbadossunset · 14/08/2024 10:57

Thank you Snowypeaks.
When someone’s court case is funded by someone else, is the funder named or is that kept secret?

I've no idea, I'm afraid!