Olympic Boxer names J K Rowling in lawsuit for cyberbullying

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https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/jk-rowling-elon-musk-imane-khelif-lawsuit-1236105185/

J.K. Rowling and Elon Musk have both been named in a criminal complaint filed to French authorities over alleged “acts of aggravated cyber harassment” against Algerian boxer and newl crowned Olympic champion Imane Khelif.

Nabil Boudi, the Paris-based attorney of Khelif, confirmed to Variety that both figures were mentioned in the body of the complaint, posted to the anti-online hatred center of the Paris public prosecutor’s office on Friday.

The lawsuit was filed against X, which under French law means that it was filed against unknown persons. That “ensure[s] that the ‘prosecution has all the latitude to be able to investigate against all people,” including those who may have written hateful messages under pseudonyms, said Boudi. The complaint nevertheless mentions famously controversial figures

I’d like to keep this thread about IK and their court case. Feel free to start a new thread about how men receive as much online abuse as women. I’m sure you’ll be vindicated with all the support.

BjornthefellHanded pray tell what are the she things he did in his life??

I don't agree. It is very clear to me that this person had a choice, they made it freely. If they did not wish to have speculation about their sex, they could have accepted the IBA judgement (which I believe they got independent verification on) and they could have avoided all this discussion.

I also do not believe that they passed puberty without understanding that they were not female. Including I believe they were playing football in their late teens when they were spotted and it was suggested that boxing as a female was a great sport for them. I look at that same history you are looking at and I see that there is something that really seems very inconsistent with 'always knew they were female'.

It ceased being 'grey' when they chose to compete at the Olympics with the knowledge that they were not female.

I choose which pronouns I use for people based on their sex. You can choose to follow whatever protocol you wish. What you don't get to do is to shame anyone else for not following your personal philosophical belief.

He could always box with the men.

I can feel some empathy for someone who has believed they were female and found out at puberty that there was a problem. I can also understand that they had a team of people around them encouraging them to go down this route in boxing and that it must be hard to know that you are biologically ineligible. None of this should allow IK to box in a female category.

Exactly this. If I found out that I was a man tomorrow (by some people's rules), and I had been training all my life in a female sport, I'd be very confused. And if some peope said that the those rules were not right anyway, I'd probably err on that side.

This isn't Imane's circus.

As someone else said, sunlight. Presumably as part of this there will need to be discussion over whether any tweets were simply factual or spurious and proof of biological sex will have to be given.

I thought JKR's tweets about this were wholly unnecessary. This isn't a trans issue.

Oh, calling a man 'he' is rude is it?

I do beg your pardon.

Out if interest, what do you call it when a person with xy chromosomes, levels of testisterone way higher than any healthy woman, with the consequent advantages of male puberty (stronger bones and muscles, longer reach, bigger fists , more efficient cardiovascular system, more fast twitch muscle fibres, 160% more punching power etc etc) chooses to compete against women in a bloody CONTACT SPORT?

Where is your sympathy for the women he displaced? The Algerian woman who didn't even make in into the team? The medals he took?

But hey, we shouldn't be rude, that'sjust unacceptable.

Where are your priorities?

How can you watch a women being thumped in the face by a man and your biggest concern is whether his pronouns are correct?

I just cannot comprehend this mindset, where the wrong pronouns are the end of the world, but male violence against women is not just condoned but celebrated.

Yes. We understand that you and others think that female boxers should accept the much higher risk that a male punch that is likely to be a minimum of 160% harder than a female punch because of your emotional reasoning.

If this was a case of a person who simply was back in their home region living life in ways that did not cause significant risk to others through their actions, I doubt you would get much pushback.

However, this is a person who chose to punch female people knowing they are male and that they have male advantage. It really in Khelif's 'circus'. Imane Khelif made the choice. Responsibility cannot be removed because people feel sorry for them.

Imane was allowed to compete.

Personally I hate seeing ANYONE punch anyone in the face and I think boxing is vile. But if Imane was allowed to compete, the issue needs to be targeted at the mechanisms that allowed that. Not Imane.

Did JKR mention anything about Imane being trans? 🤔

What part of protecting the female sports category to be only for female people do you think you have missed from feminist campaigns?

No male person who has a body that has been virilised with testosterone at any time should be competing as a female in the protected sports category for female people. It doesn't matter if they have a transgender identity or whether they are a male with a DSD. It really does not.

Tell us, what would you personally do knowing it was directly dangerous to others but the poorly formed regulations allowed you to do it? And if you got caught, and the public backlash was clearly calling out your actions, do you think that this would be an adequate defence?

Just because you can, doesn’t absolve you of your responsibility to not do what you know is wrong.

Shooting himself in the foot here. It will bring the truth out to end the debate though.

This is literally true of all boxing.

But he's known for years. He didn't find out in Paris!

I see. You cannot answer the question.

Shall we try again.

Tell us, what would you personally do knowing it was directly dangerous to others but the poorly formed regulations allowed you to do it? And if you got caught, and the public backlash was clearly calling out your actions, do you think that this would be an adequate defence?

Personally I would never ever consider participating in boxing.

I think the rules need to be changed. But I don't think its fair to expect individual athletes to play to rules that don't exist because they need to 'play nice'.

Ah the 'I don't agree with any boxing' argument.

In that case, feel free to campaign against it being a legal sport.

You not agreeing with it, however, is a weak argument for abandoning all safety rules.

But back to the ridiculous court case. IANAL but I cannot see how this has got legs.

Which is why I think every sport should have similar, clear rules regarding DSDs. I also think that any professional competitor with certain DSDs should have to declare it. That would ensure fairness but it would also stop the hounding of individuals.

So something like 5-Ard would have its definition stated, including the XY chromosomes and a brief description of what it is and how it relates to the physical, ie sporting, body. That would include testosterone levels and sensitivity, as well as stating people with that DSD go through a male puberty.

Then they need to decide if people with 5-Ard can take part in women’s sports if they reduce their testosterone. I think No because male puberty still gives an advantage even if testosterone is artificially reduced.

Eh? Is she only allowed to tweet about "trans issues"?

I thought she was tweeting about women's rights and the preservation of the female category in sports - isn't she allowed to tweet about that?

Let's look at this in other ways since you cannot get out of your entrenchment of 'all boxing is bad'.

Think about what other category boundaries you would be happy to accept using your own 'the rules allowed it' argument. Would you say the same about:

A 25 year old competing against a 10 year old in a 10 and under category?

A 25 year old competing against a 85 year old in a 85+ year old masters category?

A person who had 90% vision competing with someone with 5% vision in visually impaired category for those with 5% and less ?

A person who was a professional standard athlete competing in a novice only event ?

A bicycle with an electric engine competing against a 100% human powered bicycle in the Tour de France?

If you have said yes to any of these, why?

if you have said no, then why would you accept a male with pubertal advantages in a female sports category where that male person can deliver a life limited or shortening punch ?

Normally a big fan of JKR but I think she badly misjudged this one by focusing primarily on the individual and not the IOC, and by presenting this as "cheating" (which it technically isn't, whether or not you believe IK is knowingly acting unfairly by taking part).

The language she used was inflammatory, calling Imane a man etc. Just no need. And the wrong target. It wasn't 'cheating'. I also don't think it's helpful telling people they should 'play nice' when they are playing within the rules.

Let's face it, women get sick of being told to 'play nice'. Now we are doing it...?