Olympic Boxer names J K Rowling in lawsuit for cyberbullying

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https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/jk-rowling-elon-musk-imane-khelif-lawsuit-1236105185/

J.K. Rowling and Elon Musk have both been named in a criminal complaint filed to French authorities over alleged “acts of aggravated cyber harassment” against Algerian boxer and newl crowned Olympic champion Imane Khelif.

Nabil Boudi, the Paris-based attorney of Khelif, confirmed to Variety that both figures were mentioned in the body of the complaint, posted to the anti-online hatred center of the Paris public prosecutor’s office on Friday.

The lawsuit was filed against X, which under French law means that it was filed against unknown persons. That “ensure[s] that the ‘prosecution has all the latitude to be able to investigate against all people,” including those who may have written hateful messages under pseudonyms, said Boudi. The complaint nevertheless mentions famously controversial figures

It's not a lawsuit.

It's not us making it a "trans" case. It's transactivists who are heavily pushing for this, with the exact same rhetoric and tactics they always use. Not only to hang onto the coattails of DSDs (to make trans self identities seem more "sciencey") but because they want self ID to be the norm for entry into women's sports.

The only similarity is that for us this is still about women and women's rights, safety and fairness, and the issue of some males trying to prevent women being allowed to have those, or indeed anything at all, for ourselves, while actively setting about dismantling our rights without consultation or consent.

If IK competes because of a loophole and knows they are a male punching a female, they are a cheat, if their team know it they're cheats, all the way up for every single person who knows it and puts them forward anyway.

Although we know this "isn't a trans case," we see the same issue with calling a man a man being the worst thing ever

That's because genderists have glommed onto it to attack feminist women.

I think the very fact that this isn't a trans case goes a long way towatds demonstrating that women's rights advocates have never been anti-trans. We have no issue with trans people living their best lives in whatever way works for them, until the point where women are supposed to budge over and surrender hard-won resources/opportunities which are needed for women for specific and rational reasons.

It doesn't matter whether an XY person with male-range restosterone and who wwnt through a male-type puberty, who wants to compete in the female category, was "assigned as" male or female at birth (ie is a transwoman or has a DSD that lead to misindentification at birth) because we were never anti-trans

I also think that this past two weeks has also forced many people to confront pronoun usage face on. How many times did people come into threads to make a point in saying how disgusting people are for calling people ‘male’ FFS? Even on this thread.

Even accusations toward people who hadn’t used the term ‘man’!

I think that those people who had not solidified their own position on whether or not pronouns were ‘harmless’ have probably become more solidified in either direction. I find the abuse being flung at posters striving to make clear statements of fact to be remarkable. That some people genuinely feel that they should have the right to censure others and to abuse for using sex based language, all while admitting (or showing clearly) that they themselves have no understanding of the issue and end up contributing fuck all, must also be eye opening for some who have never witnessed such contemptuous behaviour before.

I suspect though it is done for the chilling effect partly. The intention is to shut down the discussion. To shame those using precise and accurate language.

I really think that it was a significant event in the campaigning timeline for many to gain the understanding of the harm, in general, that using an individual’s preferred pronouns has collectively on a group.

Firstly, that using preferred pronouns removes the ability to communicate clearly and to get accurate information into the public sphere. Secondly, that incorrect information, such as an incorrect registration in a passport in the case of the boxers, but it could just as simply been a male person who had changed their sex designation in a passport too, can be used to directly harm female people on both an individual level and a collective level. And then, it provided just another occasion for either those dedicated to abusing others who don’t agree with them, or just opportunists who decided to censure and abuse.

All done, also, by attempting to narrow the discussion down to Khelif, because Lin was inconvenient to use as an emotional weapon.

The message is clear though. If a male person has an emotional enough story, some people will allow female people to come to harm to protect that male person.

And yes, the framing that feminists were ‘anti-trans’ completely fell apart over the past two weeks, because it was never correct.

Yet how amazing was it that some people who leveled that accusation ended up showing it was themselves who are ‘anti-trans’ if that was the defining term, because they would write ‘I don’t support transgender male athletes in female sports events, but this is different!’

Err… no! It has always been about ‘male people with pubertal advantage’ regardless of medical condition or gender identity being included in the female protected category of sport. Maybe some posters need to look in the fucking mirror with their ‘anti-trans’ accusations. And let’s add ‘anti-woman’ and ‘anti-girl’ in there as well!!!

https://x.com/SenatorClaire/status/1823970278948606136

I have just seen this now. It is a good wrap up and I see she too has covered the 'anti-trans' weaponising and also, this ridiculousness around language.

In her case she is stating that it is because of this wedging in of any male person into the word 'woman' when they are male that has allowed 8 women to be punched by two male athletes at the Olympics, and for so many to applaud it!

He has been training by fighting men. The coaches tried to use women from heavier categories and Imane was too powerful to spar.

@mansplainingsincethe90s he is a man. That is why he is being called a man.

Hellebore, you always 'bring it' to these threads, but this is among the best summaries I've read on the topic. Absolutely nails it.

Keating this past two weeks has brought so many things into perspective. I think the coalescing moment was when a poster late last month launched into abusive attacks, and then was forced to admit that that didn’t even like sport and didn’t know anything really about sports and even started a thread to discuss how sports should be reorganised so that some male people could feel better about themselves because that poster thought they had come across a brand new thought peice that none of us had ever thought about. It really showed us how fucked up the discussion is when some posters start from the premise that they have some kind of moral superiority and that they believe the posters they are abusing are ignorant.

It went down hill from there really. I feel like it broke me to be on repeat for two weeks straight. What about you? You were right there in the thick of it too.

You are doing valuable work here and it's very much appreciated.

The problem is we are fighting MSM lies and the vast majority of people are still unaware that a lot of the 'news' they're getting is made up nonsense. I mean, they even tried to blame Russia for false tests! Absolutely bonkers.

Cases like this have the potential to turn this whole debacle on it's head and it's so important we do push back hard.

Thanks. There are so many great voices on this board, and so many great perspectives. It is as you say, a fight against misinformation.

How many declarations have we seen that Khelif has Swyers, or that Khelif has given birth (that one I saw more than once and it was very surprising)? The Russia connection was bizarre. The corruption argument fell away once you point out that the IOC has been known to be corrupt for decades, yet those posters are / were repeating IOC points and dismissing the IBA points.

And just when we finished arguing a point, two pages later someone new who can’t be arsed to read the thread pops up to repeat.

Endless looping.

It went down hill from there really. I feel like it broke me to be on repeat for two weeks straight.

Ah, Helle 💐 That never comes across in your posts. Your relentless determination to constantly provide the detail and the argument is responsible for keeping these threads firmly tethered to the ground. And reality.

Patiently posting the facts on thread after thread is one thing. But the razor sharp analysis you provide with it, coupled with the superhuman detail is what truly makes your arguments irrefutable.

I won't be the only person who smiles inwardly when someone takes you on, because I know, them caving at some point is just a matter of time.

The endless looping, yes, can't bear it myself. Hats off to those who keep slugging away.

I feel like the tone on this board has changed though of late and there seems to be less of that constant onslaught? I could be wrong.

Hey. I only commented that it broke me being in repeat, because I know others felt it too. I am not after sympathy or stroking which I am distinctly uncomfortable with (But thank you ) .

But the point remains that the misinformation on this one was successful because it was a full on emotional onslaught and I think that those who are resolute in not being emotionally manipulated by media and ‘influencers’ were also the ones who were being presented as hateful. It is stark once you see the pattern.

"They have supporters in their home countries" - tell me about it, Always! And those supporters will travel.

I live in Paris and a good friend of mine was a volunteer for the games. She was assigned to guard the no-access zone at the ringside in the final for this fight between Imane Khelif and Yang Liu. A few minutes after the bout had begun, she had to deal with a 15-strong posse of Khelif supporters who barged their way into this no-access zone in order to shout loudly and wave their flags. It was unclear whether they even had tickets, as they had apparently arrived in one very bargy group and resisted requests to show their tickets at the entrance.

They apparently significantly obscured the view of those seated right behind them. They were asked to leave in both English and French, but stated very aggressively that they spoke neither. They refused to move even when an interpreter was found. Anyway, eventually security moved them. My friend is not sure whether they found their legitimate seats but they were accommodated in proper seats finally.

She says the atmosphere was heated, the tension had, of course, strong political overtones. As PPs have said, this is much bigger than Khelif and even much bigger than his supporters. This has fed into the long-standing France-Algerian tension which seems to be always simmering and which boils over from time to time - football matches, police interceptions of young Algerians, in the worst examples police killings or mistreatment of Algerians.

Is Khelif going to sue Trump too? Apparently he has said that he'll keep men out of women's sports. It may, or may not have been, an oblique reference to Khelif, as with any number of the statements to be seen on X.

My issue with IK is the refusal to provide factual evidence. The allegation is that IK has XY chromosomes (a man), and a DSD that means he was mis-sexed at birth.

Having being told he was a female and raised as female, that is now his personal identity (I accept this as likely true).

However GC people point out that sex matters and biology is reality.

Let's face it, IK doesn't want clarification of the facts because it will likely establish that he is male with a male DSD, and then the discussion shifts to whether as a matter of policy the IOC should allow non-females (irrespective of their personal identities) to compete in the female categories. And also whether IK should keep his medals (having competed and winning the wrong sporting category).

The answers to all these questions are simply, logical and unavoidable (and not likely where IL or the IOC want to end up). IK and the IOC know this, so derail through deliberate non-disclosure and misrepresentation of the facts. The mainstream media is self-censoring on the issue as well, possibly for fear of legal action, possibly out of a refusal to provide balance (of which the BBC is meant to provide).

To be clear, I was quoting the press conference correction where it was first said this "isn't a DSD case" and there was then a correction issued saying this "isn't a trans case." Not saying anything about MN making it a trans case.

The only information I've seen in the public domain is that both boxers are XY. Neither has disputed the IBA on this. Neither has claimed to have a DSD, so are far as I can tell these are simply 2 normal males who somehow have female listed on their passports. Any info on them actually have DSD would be interesting- as far as I know that's just being assumed.

Of course, Imane Khelif should have stood up to the intense, no-expense-spared multinational machine working 24/7 to get him a gold medal in women's boxing for Algeria in Paris.

On learning the results of the IBA tests he should have said

'You are all wrong - the national sporting organisations, my trainers, the sponsors, the distinguished Monsieur le Professeur Cazorla, who has told me that the tests don't mean I'm not a woman - you're all wrong. I know better - I am not a talented woman athlete bringing Olympic glory to my country and financial stability to my family, I'm just a mediocre man with nothing going for me. So bye all, I'm going back to Algeria to be a nobody'.

He should have, but he didn't. He wasn't that brave. He reminds me of the Chorus at the end of Murder in the Cathedral who
' acknowledge ourselves as type of the common man.
Of the men and women who shut the door and sit by the fire'

Khelif shut the door and sat by the fire. As a result, women were robbed of their Olympic glory. That makes him wrong, but I'm not so sure about him being an intentional cheat. The cheerleaders, enablers and gaslighters who prepared his, and Lin's, path to a gold medal at the expense of women - that was intentional, they're the ones who deserve the most criticism.

I would like to put a bet on that Rowling and Musk will never, ever have to attend court due to this. Are there any bookies offering odds?

I don't give a flying fuck how he chooses to live his life - as long as he stops stealing women's opportunities and punching non consenting women in the face.

I just want to point out that, despite claims of JKR going on a deleting spree, every single one of these tweets still exists. Just clicked them all and checked.

Thank you @zibzibara

Fake news spreading wankers.