Elon Musk makes bombshell claim about his transgender child

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Musk's position which he has held for a while is made made clear in this Jordan Peterson interview:

Elon Musk makes bombshell claim about his transgender son Xavier and how he was 'tricked': 'It's evil'

Elon Musk spoke out about how he believes he was 'tricked' by the woke mind virus into allowing his child to become a transgender woman.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13661573/Elon-Musk-makes-bombshell-claim-transgender-child-Tesla-CEO-tricked-evil.html

I think this is the counterpart to the TRA parents who are locked into supporting gender stuff. The parents who have seen through it and are committed to fighting back. Either you go the gender crit route or you back the right.

Musk is now funding Trump's election campaign to 45 million a month.

Interestingly Musk weirdly told JKR off for being too obsessed with women's rights recently.

The interesting thing will be that even though Musk is clearly against gender stuff he like other men with that position he will not really be targeted to the same extent a woman will be. Hardly any TRA will leave X or refuse to admire Musk's various projects. They won't abandon Marvel which put Musk in a movie Iron Man 2 in the same way they want to cancel Harry Potter. Because men get to do what they want.

This is another reason the gender project is increasingly unravelling. They want to stop women saying things, but at the same time they are not as concerned when powerful male dominated groups like Catholicism, Islam or powerful male individuals like Musk or Eminem say similar things.

He's probably more used than most of us in trusting professionals to do their job.

That's not exactly what I understand about him, he's used to investigating for himself and then deciding. Or giving his experts their heads and then dumping them hard if it doesn't work, which is fine when it comes to tech and money. People on the other hand.... not his strong point.

Jazx jennings didn't start it all.

As far as I'm aware the first children to be treated in the uk was in the late 1980s, and before that in europe. Its was then when they were give to children just before adult treatments, not as a 'time to think'.

@Saschka the Tavistock was closed down because practically every single child that used puberty blockers went on to use cross-sex hormones.

Within 'dysphoria' treatment, it seems blockers were a pathway that led inevitably to these drugs which as you say cause long term fertility problems.

This is why puberty blockers are incredibly dangerous to this cohort, and not so dangerous for IVF patients.

Lawyers must be rubbing their hands with glee.
I've already seen adverts for teens damaged by this insane ideology and insurance companies will be paying out billions.
The next big scandal.

Just to complete this side conversation, yes the presenter who said mind virus is male and they were discussing male athletic performance at the time.

The guest is a woman who "felt like she was dying" going through perimenopause. So yes it was discussed that women are different but she was offering hope that women can be in good physical health post menopause using hormone replacement and keeping mobile with strength training, stretching, cardio. Diet wise she recommends avoiding refined sugar, making sure we get enough protein and fibre.

Whole interview with Dr Vonda Wright is here:

Sorry for derailing especially when I hadn't heard the full conversation, it was just one of those things where I found the phrase "mind virus" a bit bizarre, but through Steven's use of it I understood it to be a socially spread idea that we act on that causes harm. Rather than some weird conspiracy thing, that I might have assumed just hearing it as a quote in the reports of Musk interview.

Sorry if everyone else understood that, it was just new to me and then I heard it twice in short succession.

That's the only thing that'll stop it in it's tracks.

Money. It always comes back to money.

The term comes from Gad Saad's book - the Parasitic Mind

I meant jazz Jennings popularised it not that he started it all. In the 1980s it would of only been a small number of trans people almost all of which were adults. In trans healthcare it's widely agreed there would be no point in someone who's already gone through puberty being given puberty blockers.

Yes I’m well aware of that.

That’s very different to “if you take GNHR analogues, you are permanently infertile. End of!!” comments that I and some other posters are objecting to. Especially when referring to a specific named individual.

'woke mind virus' fucking hell no wonder she cut him off, what an absolute buffoon

If you use a medicine to stop an adolescent reaching sexual maturity, they will not reach sexual maturity and so will be infertile.

if you use the same medicine on a child and then stop using it so that the child matures, they will mature and become a fertile adult.

if you use the same medicine on a fertile adult, you will not stop them growing into a fertile adult because they already are one.

Puberty blockers are given to ‘trans children’ for the first purpose, to stop them maturing and becoming adults with the bodily features associated with sexual maturity, including fertility.

How hard can this be to grasp? Anyone arguing that blocking puberty in ‘trans children’ doesn’t cause infertility is either willfully stupid or disingenuous. The WHOLE POINT is to prevent sexual maturation.

A major flaw the PB protocol links to it intended purpose to provide 'time to think'.

Whilst it stops the body maturing, it does the same to the brain - thus hindering cognitive development and thinking and reasoning capacity.

With this in mind, it is no wonder that those who go on PBs are likely to go on to cross sex hormones whilst those who don't aren't.

Exactly lordloveadog, quite why that appears too difficult for some to understand is beyond me.

Next step is to introduce opposite sex hormones and that is usually accompanied by the claim that they will allow the person to go through the puberty they desire which is dangerous rubbish. No-one can go through a puberty for a different sex, it is not a choice, your body needs to go through the correct puberty for your sex.

No - when used for trans healthcare they still do not cause permanent infertility.

At a point when someone taking them wishes to decide how to proceed, as an adult they will have choices, some of which could result in permanent infertility. But those choices can be taken as an adult and are not caused by puberty blockers.

So someone who has been on puberty blockers before, say, 18 can then decide to either come off the puberty blockers, experience puberty and maturation of sexual characteristics; or they can choose to move to gender affirming hormone treatment which may have permanent implications for fertility.

It is simply a blatant lie to claim that taking puberty blockers in itself is 'sterilising kids'.

A child taking puberty blockers is prevented from being fertile while they are taking them.

That does not mean that child is sterilised or permanently infertile.

We know this because they can choose, as adults, to come off puberty blockers and not to take gender affirming hormones. Of course that carries downsides - it means they have to go through a difficult puberty, and it might mean that medical transition later on becomes more difficult. But as an adult they can weigh that up against issues around fertility. That is a far cry from claiming that children are being sterilised.

This is sophistry.

Preventing puberty in children stops them developing physically, sexually and mentally.

There is very little evidence about fertility outcomes for young people whose puberty is blocked but who then change their minds after several years. For this reason the NHS stopped saying that puberty blockers are reversible.

One reason there is little evidence is that, as even the limited data collected by the Tavistock showed, puberty blockers lock children into a medical pathway so that almost all go onto hormone treatment and never go through puberty to become fertile adults.

The reality of all this is pretty bleak once you drop the cute euphemisms the activists like.

It’s not sophistry - it is fact.

Anyone deciding to pursue a path that leads to infertility as an adult is just that - an adult.

Pretending that puberty blockers cause permanent infertility is a straightforward lie. It is medically false.

Puberty is a process that happens within a genetically predetermined timeframe; if a child is blocked from development during that timeframe the clock doesn't miraculously reset to the beginning of where puberty would have started if not interfered with. Some children may, according to their own developmental timetables and individual treatment, experience some pubertal development (brain/growth/fertility), but it will never be the same as what would have happened in an uninterrupted process. Growth is no longer possible after the developmental window closes. This is why the outcomes for children whose puberty is interrupted by development-inhibiting treatments for e.g. cancer are so uncertain. What comes afterwards is not a 'difficult puberty' - it's a very chancy, risky attempt to claw back something which has been withheld, and which may have been made unreachable.

The way he said is may raise an eyebrow, however what he says is interesting.

Parents faced with this issue come up against a one size fits all institutional pathway. And every institution thinks the same way; do it or else...

That is what I took from him - we presume these institutions function with a duty of care and the best interests of the child at the forefront. This is clearly under question.

Most people would not turn around and tell Musk how to create an electric car. I also presume he treats other professionals with the same respect - eg a shrink who is treating his son/daughter...He has clearly been manipulated as have most parents.

From what I’ve read there is a window of time where puberty takes place and if you block puberty during that period of time (say between 12 and 18) it doesn’t just kick back in if you stop PBs beyond that window. This is why PBs are not a genuine pause button because you can miss that window of opportunity.

@lordloveadog - if a 12 year old takes PBs until they are 18 - will they go through puberty at 18?

Can we stop and start it at will?

It is very confusing!

I don't entirely disagree with this. I agree that there is a broken "chain of trust" around transgender where professionals who we'd usually expect to rely on, who we'd expect to stick to medical evidence, who we'd expect to be honest and accurate ablout what is known and what is not known, have been acting in a very unprofessional way. And that parents as well as children/young people have been badly let down when we've done what parents usually do and followed what we thought was sound professional advice.

It was a small minority but yes there were transkids, well there was one and I vaguely knew the family as my kids went to the same school as their kids. Their son was desperate to transition and at the time, we are talking 40 years ago, there was little help and he worked as a prostitute to pay for his surgery. It was very sad.

His child is now an adult and there is no indication that puberty blockers were the wrong course of action for her. She is still trans, and I've seen no indication of regret or detransition etc.

@PlanetJanette - You keep saying it is a lie - would love something I could read?

I am trying to understand all this suff but good info is hard to come by.

Surely you have some data?