Elon Musk makes bombshell claim about his transgender child

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Musk's position which he has held for a while is made made clear in this Jordan Peterson interview:

Elon Musk makes bombshell claim about his transgender son Xavier and how he was 'tricked': 'It's evil'

Elon Musk spoke out about how he believes he was 'tricked' by the woke mind virus into allowing his child to become a transgender woman.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13661573/Elon-Musk-makes-bombshell-claim-transgender-child-Tesla-CEO-tricked-evil.html

I think this is the counterpart to the TRA parents who are locked into supporting gender stuff. The parents who have seen through it and are committed to fighting back. Either you go the gender crit route or you back the right.

Musk is now funding Trump's election campaign to 45 million a month.

Interestingly Musk weirdly told JKR off for being too obsessed with women's rights recently.

The interesting thing will be that even though Musk is clearly against gender stuff he like other men with that position he will not really be targeted to the same extent a woman will be. Hardly any TRA will leave X or refuse to admire Musk's various projects. They won't abandon Marvel which put Musk in a movie Iron Man 2 in the same way they want to cancel Harry Potter. Because men get to do what they want.

This is another reason the gender project is increasingly unravelling. They want to stop women saying things, but at the same time they are not as concerned when powerful male dominated groups like Catholicism, Islam or powerful male individuals like Musk or Eminem say similar things.

Thank you! I had an absolute trauma trying to unpick whether or not to agree to puberty blockers for my son. As I said in the end we did not but I will certainly take his expert consultant's advice over some furious and thick arsehole on the internet on the subject of my 8 year old's future fertility.

The confidently stated utter nonsense is (ironically) pretty reminiscent of people claiming they can change sex.

Puberty blockers (in trans healthcare) were introduced to allow boys of about 15 and 16 the opportunity to pass more easily as women when they became adults.

Fertility wasnt really considered because it was assumed that these boys would ultimately go on to surgery and wrong sex hormones and never want to father children.

Its only recently that they have been sold as a pause, time to think. So any data about the long term effects of PB havent been focused on pubescent children who want to keep their fertility.

Taking them (for medically indicated purposes) after reaching fertile maturity is very different from using them to interrupt the body's maturation processes during puberty.

But one very mainstream medical use is to interrupt the body's maturation process in the treatment of early onset puberty. I have been through this with my child and there was lots and lots of info about the possible side effects but it is untrue to say that they cause permanent infertility.

The PP's exact words were:

"If your child has taken puberty blockers - they are sterilised, permanently."

That is what I am saying is untrue.

Its the length of time on the blockers, and when.

Theres a difference between using them for months and then allowing puberty to develop at a more normal age, and using them for years and hoping the body can reset itself at 16, after the normal age for puberty.

yes, they don't make you infertile if you stop taking them eventually and let
puberty take its natural
course. Of course, we know that the vast majority of children with gender disphoria who take them go on to take cross sex hormones which cause irreversible changes.
By the time they've been cheer led by their families and affirmed by therapists and doctors, they feel they're stuck on an irreversible path.

It’s easy to turn people into two dimensional caricatures in an attempt to undermine them but I don’t think it works particularly well as a strategy.

Absolutely.

So we are in agreement that to say

"If your child has taken puberty blockers - they are sterilised, permanently."

is not correct.

oh and yes, trust experts, absolutely. But also bear in mind that they're influenced by pressure groups too and that they're not infallible robots. They make mistakes.

Was he around to parent this child? Bit late, now…

and I speak as an "expert"
It frightens me that people put so much faith in us. I have colleagues I wouldn't trust with my child and we're definitely not all wise and knowing.

In the context of a thread about pb as treatment for gender distress in children?

Its obvious thats what the poster was talking about. Saying it's not true, and pb are safe is just as misleading.

because they know he'll be supporting the Dems the election after.

I did not describe them as safe. I don't see how making things up about them is helpful to anyone though, it'll just make people assume everything else being said is also hyperbole. There are massive issues with PBs even for medical use and the side effects have to be very carefully weighed against the gain. We don't need to invent issues.

Elon Musk is very good at good at tech and he's very good at making money, but what I admire most about him is that everything is everybody's fault but his own. A foolish decision that he didn't investigate properly first is the result of a "mind virus".

He is not what you'd call a nuanced thinker.

There are massive issues with PBs even for medical use and the side effects have to be very carefully weighed against the gain. We don't need to invent issues.

Do you know for certain that puberty blockers given in childhood don't lead to fertility problems later in life? The medical profession isn't going out of its show they don't.

The people saying there is absolutely no risk are just as guilty of invention as anyone else.

It’s a Daily Mail story. They’ll only ever report one way.

There have been various studies yes - here is a random one showing no decline in fertility for women. Feel free to give it a google yourself.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8686727/

Look I am 100% not cheerleading for them for trans healthcare - I think they should be banned for that purpose. But they are sadly sometimes needed for medical reasons and I have been in that situation so I am (perhaps understandably) touchy about this misinformation.

He's probably more used than most of us in trusting professionals to do their job.

No doubt hes taken in son to one on the most expensive, most well regarded professionals and realised later that a lot of what he's been told isnt true.

He should have spent time on FWR, but we all make mistakes.

I'm not a fan, though I think he's an interesting person and his willingness to speak honestly and challenge wokery can be helpful in waking people up - but as PPs have said he's inconsistent.

I feel for him and I understand what he's saying - and I think he's right, his child has been lost to essentially a cultural movement/trend, could be described as a mind virus, some call it a cult. The idea of his son being "dead" comes from transactivism and "deadnaming" - it's not just from EM. But it's not good to draw attention to his child in that way. It certainly won't help to improve their relationship, whether the transitioning situation ends up being permanent or not. It may be true, but in the context of wanting the best for your DC, it would have been better not to say it.

Also we don't know how much of his poor relationship with his child is just to do with that - there could be other factors.

15 and 16 no it was younger than that, jazz Jennings from I am jazz (some would say this TV series is what popularised "trans kids") started taking them at 11. The whole point was to block puberty most of us have already started puberty before 15. In the 2010s before the NHS cracked down on puberty blockers it was standard for blockers at about 12 and cross sex hormones at 16.
Very sad for the many victims of this scandel

That’s exactly what I’ve been wondering about.
When I was at school in the 90s there were couple of gay kids, so it wasn’t a taboo exactly.
I don’t remember there ever being any talk about “transkids” or someone feeling thy were born in the wrong body. I also don’t remember ever hearing about a teen suicide because someone wasn’t allowed to “live as their preferred gender”.

They do when they are used for total pubertal blockade rather than short term followed by a normal-timed puberty.

They can also cause permanent infertility in adults who use them as blockers for a range of conditions.

Because GnRH medicines do not cause infertility on their own.

I've taken them for endometriosis. Don't spread misinformation - there are nasty side effects agreed but it's not a certain death sentence for our fertility. * *

It is when they are used to prevent puberty - if you don’t go through puberty you don’t have any mature gametes to conceive with 🤷‍♀️