"Violence against women a ‘national emergency’ in England and Wales"

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Jesus Wept!
"National Police Chiefs’ Council analysis reveals 2m women a year estimated to be victims of male violence"

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/23/violence-against-women-national-emergency-england-wales-police

You can’t deny you’ve said xenophobic things on here. Was I supposed to just nod along?

“I am not saying society has no role in the cause of male violence”

This is exactly what I am saying and you are calling me a racist. If this is your position it follows that you also believe that the attitude of men who have been socialised in a countries that treat women as sub human are likely to have been affected by that socialisation? This has nothing to do with race or ethnicity, it is to do with upbringing / education / how the women in your society are treated. Do women have equality, agency, access to education? Are they free to work and form friendships? Do they have the freedom to wear their hair uncovered and show their faces without being beaten in the streets? Do they have some say about who and when they marry? Are they equal in law? Are they publicly flogged if they transgress?

This links to a few things some of which were written over a decade ago

Which one are you referring to?

The most recent in 2018 is based on a report limited to EU only

The independent Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) today released a report into the impacts of EU immigrant workers on the UK economy

All of them.

Ok so they’re pretty old and the most recent one linked is EU immigration only

Mostly because
Since the 1990s, violent crime has steadily decreased significantly,
and
Since the 1990s, immigration has steadily increased significantly

There is no recent red flag 🚩 of increasing violent crime to make people go huh, I wonder why? And do a study on it.

Really very typical that rather than face up to the problem that is male violence, some posters prefer to explain it away as "those other males".

Let's not derail onto immigration and "other cultures". It's a tedious red herring.

Ignoring attempts by pp to control a thread I’m sure there are more recent studies or writing on this topic.

I recall stats on the issue from a poster citing a recent book. Some may take issue with it for various reasons, and probably did as it was raised on here, but I do think it’s being looked at

Foreign National Offenders (FNOs)

'There were 10,435 (3,578 remand, 6,486 sentenced and 371 non-criminal) foreign nationals held in custody on 30 June 2024; representing 12% of the total prison population. The number of FNOs in the prison population has increased by 1% compared to 30 June 2023, similar to the percentage growth in the number of British Nationals. This increase was driven by a 7% increase in the FNO remand population and a 1% increase in the sentenced FNO population. The non-criminal Foreign National population fell by 28% over the same period. The most common nationalities after British Nationals in prisons are Albanian (12% of the FNO prison population), Polish (9%), Romanian (7%), Irish (6%) and Jamaican (4%).'

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/offender-management-statistics-quarterly-january-to-march-2024/offender-management-statistics-quarterly-january-to-march-2024

It might not be a 'tedious red herring' for the women of these other cultures e.g Honour killings, forced marriages, FGM, breast ironing.

Cultural norms and behaviours have to be faced honestly.

It's not rascist or xenophobic to recognise patterns of behaviours or attitudes towards women within specific groups of people. A failure to research this complexity isn't helping anyone.

OK. I'll leave you to it. Shame because VAWG is a big feminist issue.

I’ve noticed this often gets closed down on any thread, even in the feminist section.

I don’t have conclusions yet but I do know I’d prefer to focus on women and girls than prioritise male sensitivity

I totally agree VAWG is a big feminist issue.

I'm extremely concerned by the rise of the incel but I'm also concerned by the rise of the religious fundamentalism and its inherent misogyny. As a society we need to speak with one voice.

https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2021/06/charity-law-shouldnt-enable-misogyny

Ghamidi Centre of Islamic Communication

A lecture on this charity's website entitled "The Right to Beat Wives" said it was acceptable for a husband to "punish" his wife if she challenged his authority, provided it did not "leave any sign of wound" on her. This charity was registered in December 2020.

Serving a genuine public benefit is a fundamental requirement to become a charity. Promoting the subjugation and abuse of women does the very opposite. It is bizarre that on the one hand, there exist so many charities set up to support women who are victims of domestic violence, FGM and rape, while on the other the Charity Commission continues to register charities that fuel the misogyny at the root of these crimes.

While in many of these cases the commission has intervened and stopped religious charities promoting misogyny, the fact that new charities advancing the same ideas continue to register regularly demonstrates that the situation is unsustainable. Under the law as it stands the commission is left trying to play whack-a-mole, which is inefficient and unreliable.

My DD was constantly seated next to teenage boy to make him behave. I use to complain every time.
Worse bit was if he talked to her and she answered. She would get wrong for talking in class but he wouldn’t.
She was always pleased when he played truant, which was a lot.

Quite.

I'm currently reading Unveiled by Yasmine Mohammed. It's an extremely harrowing account of a young girl (Mohammed) growing up partly in Egypt but mainly in Canada within a family with an abusive Islamist step father and convert Islamist mother who does nothing to protect her from the abuse.

She discusses all the things we know exist in these societies from state sanctioned child marriage (which is not taboo); "honour"-based violence and murder; women being forced to marry their rapists; not being allowed to even ride a bike because of the risk of "losing your virginity" because a girl's virginity is her primary value.

Mohammed makes the point that these, frankly, barbaric attitudes towards women travel across borders and that people with this mindset don't magically change their minds when they move to other countries even if the laws in those countries support equality of the sexes and protect women from being treated less favourably than men.

I find myself influenced by women like Yasmine Mohammed and Ayaan Hirsi Ali and other women who have first hand experience of life under islamic rule and in all likelihood a pretty reliable understanding of the mindset of the men who dominate these societies and oppressively control the women who live within them. These women say there is an increased risk and I believe them. If that makes me xenophobic then so be it.

Ayan Hirsi Ali is a proven liar whose family said her account was not accurate. Her life story is so jam packed she's either the world's most unlucky woman or a bit of a fantasist. Given "proven liar" I tend to think the latter.

I'm concerned about the rise of the far right yet get called all sorts for pointing that out on here. Whatever,don't care.

This was meant to be a thread about VAWG, so far we've had speculation about whether in fact it is increasing and the ordinary completely unfounded assertions about "immigrants" and "culture".

Its a shame its not possible to discuss VAWG or attitudes of UK born and bred men without derailing. This is meant to be a feminist board, not a recruiting ground for Reform 😂

None of what @Imnobody4 and others are posting about is funny and all of it is the violence of men against women and girls

Odd how far people go to dismiss it

This is meant to be a feminist board

So weird that you are here so frequently then. If you are so closed minded that you find the accounts of women who have grown up under islamist regimes something to laugh about and undermine by calling them liars. This is really about as anti-feminist as it comes.

If you want to discuss other aspects of VAWG I am not stopping you. You can choose not to engage with me and actually there’s no real engagement anyway there’s just name calling by you and another in an attempt to undermine. Very well done. I will leave you to it.

No. It isn't. Feminism isn't about supporting everything any random woman does. It's about making lives better for women. Pretending male violence is a problem caused by "men from other cultures" or even that its disproportionately contributed to by "men from other cultures" and insisting we focus on that is harmful to women because it means the bulk of dangerous men in the UK are free to get on with abusing women.

I am fed up with every conversation about male violence against women being deflected. We are not going to effective reduce VAWG if we only focus on immigrant men and trans women.

I didn't say any of it was funny.
I'd say it's odd how far people go to crowbar anti-muslim sentiment into any conversation.

All male violence against women and girls is relevant to feminism as much as some try to dismiss it or laugh at it.

I am not anti-Muslim. I am anti male VAWG wherever it raises it's head. It is because of VAWG that I am anti Islamic extremism.
If we can't name a problem we can't deal with it. If we don't analyse it accurately we fail to have any effect. VAWG isn't a single white male phenomenon. It took Nazir Afzal a Muslim man to prosecute the grooming gangs. You are no feminist Cassie.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/07/honour-based-abuse-in-england-increases-60-in-two-years

The number of “honour-based” abuse offences recorded by English police forces has increased by more than 60% in two years, figures suggest, with concerns voiced that increased polarisation is partly to blame.The number of “honour-based” abuse offences recorded by English police forces has increased by more than 60% in two years, figures suggest, with concerns voiced that increased polarisation is partly to blame.
A spokesperson from women’s rights organisation IKWRO(Iranian & Kurdish Womens Rights) said it was deeply troubled by the increase. They added: “The observation that global political and social factors contribute to the polarisation of views and exacerbate ‘honour-based’ abuse is particularly noteworthy. It highlights the intersectionality of this issue with broader societal dynamics and underscores the need for nuanced approaches in addressing it.“IKWRO echoes Imran’s call for more education and training for authorities to recognise the signs of ‘honour-based’ abuse and respond effectively working collaboratively with specialist organisations.”

Essex police are experimenting with a preventive programme, identifying patterns of behaviour likely to end in domestic violence and intervening early, offering perpetrators help to change in return for close monitoring to protect potential victims.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/26/violence-women-andrew-tate-men-misogyny

I found the above interesting in the light of something I learned about Essex and posted in April re: PCC elections.

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Relevant to PCCs and the drive to end female support for domestic violence: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5049427-tra-womens-orgs-and-police-end-all-female-only-abuse-support?

The role of Police Women’s Independent Advisory Groups in this seems important.

I Googled for Police Women’s Independent Advisory Group in my county. They don't mention a women's group but do say they want to hear from people who feel that their community’s voice is underrepresented in dialogue with their local /county police.

I doubt the Police mean women and especially doubt that they mean me but I shall contact them. I suggested this to a friend who also Googled. And has reported back with this tweet and news (she's in Essex). So, if I was wondering how the drive to remove single sex services had happened, I'm now sadder and wiser as to the explanation in some areas.

‘I believe the College of Police is inherently corrupted by gender ideology'

'Recently, a man named Clare, Head of the Independent Advisory Group to Essex Police, said women with gender critical views should be treated as terrorists’

- Sarah Phillimore, Co-founder WeAreFairCop

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1769464221874434067