"Violence against women a ‘national emergency’ in England and Wales"

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Jesus Wept!
"National Police Chiefs’ Council analysis reveals 2m women a year estimated to be victims of male violence"

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/23/violence-against-women-national-emergency-england-wales-police

There is a serious problem with children of primary age being violent at home towards parents and siblings, often dangerously so, and often starting at an early age. Parents often are at the end of their tether with this, and the behaviours are often not seen at school. Because of the lack of help or any purposeful addressing, the entitlement is set at an early age that the child is the controller of the household, and their behaviour very effectively corporally punishes any behaviours they dislike from parents or siblings. Often to the point where the household is controlled by walking on eggshells around the child.

That's going to transfer straight over to dating relationships as soon as the child is old enough. It's confirmed and set as unthinking habit and belief of self power over others: If you upset me I am entitled to threaten and hurt you until you do what I want.

"2 million women a year estimated to be victims of male violence"
I find that so shocking. That's just those reported - so many women suffer in silence or are not believed. I would say almost every woman I know has had some kind of incident in their lifetime.
Now add to that the affects of losing single-sex spaces, immigrants who think women and girls are nothing and releasing prisoners early - how many women will live in fear? What does the future look like?

I don’t understand why it is an emergency when violent crime has decreased by a heck of a lot…

“..Peak of 4.5 million offences in the year ending December 1995…”

To

“1.9% of adults aged 18 years and over were a victim of violent crime in the year ending March 2022, equating to 1.5 million incidents of violence. Around two thirds (65%) of all TCSEW violent incidents in the last 12 months resulted in no injury to the victim.”

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/thenatureofviolentcrimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2022

While the stats are horrific, this is excellently timed to define and bring people onboard with the govt pledge to halve violence against women and girls.

Its always made me laugh grimly in horror when those like Helen Joyce or Kathleen Stock say that its predominantly girls who fall for tribes and fads.
From gangs to youtube, manosphere Andrew Tate Incels to gaming to football to gun culture and every stupid stunt on the internet inbetween, boys are as easily influenced by cult and group thinking as girls.

It just takes on a more dangerous form, but apparenbtly thats ok, because few talk about guys weak mindedness or credulity.

There is a serious problem with children of primary age being violent at home towards parents and siblings, often dangerously so, and often starting at an early age. Parents often are at the end of their tether with this, and the behaviours are often not seen at school. Because of the lack of help or any purposeful addressing, the entitlement is set at an early age that the child is the controller of the household, and their behaviour very effectively corporally punishes any behaviours they dislike from parents or siblings. Often to the point where the household is controlled by walking on eggshells around the child.

This was the case with one of mine. He is autistic and the violence stemmed directly from lack of support within school, where he masked all
day long, the effort of which led to the violence.
We fixed it by taking him out of school - we were lucky to have that as an option because the lack of action and care from school was destroying him, and in turn our family. The violence stopped overnight. He is now an adult, working full time and living a very busy and fulfilling life.

More children are struggling in schools today, more seeking ND diagnoses. This won’t change until schools recognise the damage they’re doing. Right now though they are firmly in the camp of blaming the children and the parents.

I had many meetings in school where I was “that” parent. What they couldn’t see and wouldn’t believe was how their lack of support was directly affecting him. He was just being lazy, I was being over anxious, the usual fobbing off tactics. So when I hear about awful parents making excuses for their awful children I tend to see a very different perspective. FB groups are full of parents like me, wanting the best for our dc but having our children’s needs denied and support blocked in school.

Had ds been kept in school I have no doubts that he’d be a menace to society, because school forced him to be in survival mode the whole time.
Some schools now have as many as 30+% children with SN. I know from first hand experience that their SN is often going to be much more difficult to handle because of the lack of support in schools. Not excusing it BTW, violence is violence no matter what, but there is plenty of violence from children that is an overwhelmed out of control violence, not just awful children and crap parents who don’t discipline them. It is preventable. But schools seem to be clinging onto methods that suit very few (including teachers and students here).

We have a huge lack of joined up thinking in the UK. Things will get worse until views on porn use change, and until education makes some real changes to make it better for everyone.

"immigrants who think women and girls are nothing"

Do you have any surveys or statistics that describe what the relative proportions are for people who espouse that attitude for "immigrants" vs the comparator population of people who live in the UK?

The Guardian article mostly used very high estimates without saying how these estimates were calculated.

The stats it does use refer to police recorded incidents but the latest ONS CSEW states the recent increase in police recorded incidents are due to better reporting of violent crime, not an increase in crime.

“Recording improvements have driven rises in violent crime recorded by the police
In contrast to the long-term downward trend of Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) violence, police recorded violent crime has increased between the year ending March 2013 and the year ending March 2022, with 2.1 million violent offences recorded in the latest year (Appendix tables, year ending June 2022). This was the highest in a 12-month period since the introduction of the National Crime Recording Standard (NCRS) in April 2002. These increases are thought to be driven largely by improvements in police recording practices. For more information on recording improvements and comparing police recorded violence and CSEW violence estimates, see section 10.”

Yes.
It is impossible to get any support for this too. Much of this in my opinion is related to the effects of austerity and lack of support from professionals for parents that are struggling.
And it's not as simple as saying the parents aren't doing it right. Dealing with violence from children is very hard.

It can’t be the internet as violent crime dropped from 4.5 million incidents in 1995 to 1.5 million incidents in 2022.

If the internet has any influence on violent crime, it would be a preventative one.

It absolutely amazes me that the influence of cocaine, its affect on behaviour and reaction is ignored in so many social ills currently.
It appears to be endemic.
There was resounding silence when coke was found in Parliment.
Where is the national conversationon its effects on peoples health judgement and behaviour, on its environmental impact
on the country it was grown in
and its distribution and ensuing corruption and murders.

And that the link between cocaine and aggression seems to have been memory holed since the 70s and 80s
And wth are all the supposedly educated middle classes doing snorting it in industrial scales.
Aping tv pretending they are Al Pacino or Bateman.

Its not weed or lsd were you contemplate your psychic navel, or smack where you knock yourself into a haze
Of all the drugs , cocaine was the one for hard physical labour at high altitude not dinner party chit chat.

Agree, it can’t be immigrants as violent crime has dropped significantly from its peak in 1995 to today while immigration has increased significantly since 1995.

Not sure if it is in the Guardian report but if you look at the actualy figures, domestic violence has decreased in the last year of so. (I first became aware of this when Women's Aid etc., no longer said 2 women a week were victims of domestic violence.)

The big and unpleasant fact is the increase in sexual violence and the level of violence in teenage boys.

And no it has nothing to do with boys growing up with single mothers.

It is about the culture of the boys as groups or gangs.

Whether this is learnt behaviour from pornography, or Andrew Tate or whatever eg Donal Trump's language and some rap, this is what influences boys.

And I doubt even if there is the so called "male figure" to provide a better role model, we know this is just an empty statement, because just like the increase in knife crime amongst increasingly young boys, they only listen to each other.

When you think that Scotland (not exactly a role model to refer to!)) actually has a law that says young men up to the age of 25 aren't mature enough to know that committing a sex crime is wrong, then we need to be looking a a society where safeguards are put in place because of that threat to women and girls.

Cocaine is awful and seems to have got quite affordable.
Maybe there needs to be a grown up conversation about how to tackle it. It appears we have effective decriminalisation at the moment which is the worst of both worlds IMO.

On that note, I also wonder about steroids. Having a gym body seems to be the fashion now so I wonder if more men are using them.

According to you its not the internet and not immigration so
could it be, I dont know, bear with me now...MEN?
www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jun/04/met-chief-says-millions-of-men-are-danger-to-women-and-girls-in-england-and-wales

YES
Its been an issue for decades, how can you have missed 'Roid rage"?

In my personal experience this is very true.

if you look at the actualy figures, domestic violence has decreased in the last year of so.

the latest CSEW says no change in domestic violence since 2020.
”The number of victims of stranger violence fell by 43% compared with the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) year ending March 2020, while there was no change in the number of victims of acquaintance and domestic violence.”

The big and unpleasant fact is the increase in sexual violence….

ONS says no significant change in sexual assault either. See image

If your “it” refers to the prevalence of violence, then yes it mostly male violence, but everything I am seeing on ONS official stats and not mysterious Guardian estimates says that violence overall has significantly decreased by two thirds since 1995. So hooray MEN for being less violent.

Oh gosh, have we got an "NAMALT" going on?

VAWG is a huge problem. Please don't try to minimise it.

No, you don’t have that. I’m looking at the ONS and I am not seeing any epidemic of violence. The statistics show violent incidents have decreased from 4.5 million in 1995 to 1.5 million in 2022 (per latest ONS release)

So what is the basis of saying it is an emergency?

If it were 1994, then it would be an emergency, but today? With a trend line that is like a black diamond ski slope down ?

Yes, but the report that these articles are talking about are the police figures.

Obviusly there is a different conversation to be had about why there is a difference between those report / recorded as a crime and those compiled on household surveys to provide an estimate.

The immigration thing is interesting and there’s a discussion over on Twitter atm where those raising the possibility that immigration from countries where women are not treated as human might contribute to higher violence against women are being called racist because “it’s male violence that is the issue and not race”.

What I genuinely don’t understand (and perhaps someone can help me out) is if mvawg is considered to be a social issue that can be improved via education / reduction of access to porn / and generally changing male attitudes towards women then surely those men who have come from countries where attitudes towards women are far far worse than here (Afganistan / Iran etc.) are more likely to treat women less well than someone who was born and raised here or someone who comes from another country where women are treated relatively well. Otherwise aren’t we just saying that male violence is endemic everywhere and there’s nothing to be done about it?

The report found child sexual abuse and exploitation has surged by more than 400 per cent between 2013 and 2022.

I dont know which is more depressing that it has really increased that much, or whether it indicates that more young people are prepared to report abuse.

The chart below actually belongs with my post above about the increase is sexual violence. But again this may reflect a greater willingness to report that an increase in attacks.