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sendismylife · 23/07/2024 05:56

Let’s be brutally honest about it. Male violence is a national emergency. Male violence against women and girls. It’s horrendous and deep rooted in misogyny. As is the failure to name it as such.

PortiasBiscuit · 23/07/2024 05:59

It’s what happens when so little is done to control the types of content our little boys are seeing on-line.
Our kids are all part of a massive psychological experiment, heaven alone knows where it will end.

AthenaWhite · 23/07/2024 06:04

The internet has groomed a generation of boys to despise women and girls even more than their fathers did. Porn is nasty and violent which spills over into real lives. Women and girls have lost their right to privacy and dignity within this country.

Thoroughlydisillusioned · 23/07/2024 08:17

Those numbers are horrendous. 1 in 12 women.

AquaFurball · 23/07/2024 08:24

Yet they can't see why Rape Crisis Centres, Domestic Abuse shelters, prisons or hospitals need single sex facilities.

100% these are needed for men too.

Igmum · 23/07/2024 08:38

Horrific. Come on Police, take this seriously and take action against violent men.

Courts and Family Courts need to believe women and take action against violent men.

The Government needs to invest in and protect women's single space places.

There is action that can be taken. It would also help to stop the massive belittling and disrespect of women so common on social media, the terrible abuse that women politicians and celebrities receive, the 'Karen' meme, the violence and rape threats that are left up. Take action against all of these too and let's have social media companies giving Police posters' details.

UpThePankhurst · 23/07/2024 09:00

This is a concern in a country where men in balaclavas can scream, threaten, kettle and punch, send death threats and carry them on signs about what they wish to do to women who will not submissively obey them, and the police just stand there looking the other way.

Possibly we need degree courses in 'joining up the dots' and 'thinking of the whole picture'.

LunaNorth · 23/07/2024 09:04

The unfettered internet has created a dystopia. Action needs to be taken, now.

brainpicker · 23/07/2024 09:14

It's not just down to the internet. It's the inability to say No to our children. No to permissive parenting, no to unlimited inappropriate online content.

AutumnalLeaves38 · 23/07/2024 09:19

"Offences committed by children increased to 55.6% of the total. The average age of victims is 13, with suspects averaging 15 years old".

Christ. Shocking.

cupcaske123 · 23/07/2024 09:20

Domestic abuse has always been endemic and sexual abuse is still vastly unreported. However what's really disturbing in this report is how the offenders are increasingly children. I've also heard disturbing statistics about sexual assault in primary schools.

RethinkingLife · 23/07/2024 09:40

VAWG has been an acknowledged public health crisis for some time.

However, because it's endemic, it's ceased to be a crisis and just an horrendous normal for so many women and girls. It's so normalised that far too many women internalise and support it.

ETA: I'm going to admit this. Given the Guardian's stance, did anybody else have a moment when they wondered about the definition of women and girls?

Deserthog · 23/07/2024 09:46

The police are a huge part of the problem.

ArabellaScott · 23/07/2024 09:55

'Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning.
Senior police officer Maggie Blyth said young men and boys could be radicalised in the same way that terrorists draw in followers.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

 Influencer Andrew Tate talks to media in Romania

Influencers radicalising boys in 'terrifying' way, say police

A new report by senior police says violence against women and girls has become a "national emergency".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

ArabellaScott · 23/07/2024 09:55

The silent 'M' in the acronym needs to be named, I'm afraid.

RethinkingLife · 23/07/2024 09:57

Adding in this:

Pilots find high levels of drug use in domestic abuse offenders
Drug testing highlights cocaine as exacerbating factor in domestic abuse incidents
A number of police forces have been drug testing individuals arrested for domestic abuse offences as part of a pilot to establish perpetrator profiles and offender rehabilitation opportunities to protect victims.
Anecdotally, the use of cocaine and alcohol have been highlighted as exacerbating factors in domestic abuse offences, and the results from pilots in seven police forces have demonstrated significant evidence to support this. In one area, nearly 85 per cent (127/150) of domestic abuse offenders arrested and drug tested, were positive for cocaine and/or opiates and overall across the pilot forces, 59 per cent of those tested were positive for cocaine and/or opiates.
Mark Lay is the National Police Chiefs’ Council Drugs Coordinator Lead. He said:
“Violent behaviours are clinically associated with cocaine use so while the results of the pilots are not particularly surprising, the high percentage of offenders testing positive was more than we had anticipated.
“We know there are many reasons behind domestic abuse offending, and drug use, while not a causal factor, can make it more extreme or frequent. These pilots help us to develop a more detailed picture of perpetrators to safeguard victims and potential victims, while making sure we signpost offenders to the most appropriate treatment programmes.
“The results also show how shockingly widespread the use of cocaine is in many communities which could indicate the need for legislative change in regards to mandatory drug testing on arrest for a much wider array of offences.”
Assistant Commissioner Louisa Rolfe is National Police Chiefs’ Council Lead for Domestic Abuse. She said:
“It wouldn’t be right to say that drug use turns anyone into an abuser, but we do know it can make existing offenders behave in a more extreme and aggressive manner.
“This evidence around the links between drug use and domestic abuse offending can help us to better manage perpetrators and protect victims, building on our work around perpetrator profiles. It also enables us to identify opportunities for drug treatment services in perpetrator programmes which could help prevent reoffending.”
Farah Nazeer is Chief Executive of Women’s Aid. She said:
“Domestic abuse is driven by the perpetrator’s desire for power and control, as well as by the inequality between men and women, and it is important to remember that drugs, including cocaine, do not cause domestic abuse.
“However, as demonstrated by this study, there is a link between domestic abuse and drug use, which can make pre-existing violence and abuse more severe. This study highlights that we need to understand how other forms of harm, such as drugs, interlink with domestic abuse - and how this can help improve protection and support for survivors.”

https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/police-pilots-find-high-levels-of-drug-use-in-domestic-abuse-offenders

Pilots find high levels of drug use in domestic abuse offenders

Drug testing highlights cocaine as exacerbating factor in domestic abuse incidents

https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/police-pilots-find-high-levels-of-drug-use-in-domestic-abuse-offenders

ArabellaScott · 23/07/2024 09:58

Also, this is relevant:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxw2983yppzo

'The prospect of long-term inmates being freed early appals Mrs McDonald, who is backing concerns voiced by Victim Support Scotland.
"If this proposal goes ahead, we're opening up the floodgates," she said.
"The minute I heard 'early release of long term prisoners' it just filled me full of fear.

Linda McDonald

Early release for long-term prisoners is horrifying, says victim

Linda McDonald, who was attacked by a convicted killer, says Scottish government plans have filled her with fear.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxw2983yppzo

powershowerforanhour · 23/07/2024 09:59

AutumnalLeaves38 · 23/07/2024 09:19

"Offences committed by children increased to 55.6% of the total. The average age of victims is 13, with suspects averaging 15 years old".

Christ. Shocking.

Yes that is really disturbing.

RethinkingLife · 23/07/2024 10:04

cupcaske123 · 23/07/2024 09:20

Domestic abuse has always been endemic and sexual abuse is still vastly unreported. However what's really disturbing in this report is how the offenders are increasingly children. I've also heard disturbing statistics about sexual assault in primary schools.

Sexual assaults have always happened in schools but they've rarely been acknowledged, far less named as such in the past.

An earlier distressing thread about children who are raped or sexually assaulted in school:

In the first incident, a staff member saw the children in the corner of the playground – but then proceeded to tell the girl off.

“She was told off for having her knickers and her tights down around by her knees with one of these boys behind her,” Anna said.

On a second occasion, another member of staff saw one of the boys with his head up her skirt. The assistant told off the girl for letting the boy stick his head up her skirt, and the boys were just told to “run away”. The girl was not talked to separately, asked what had happened or whether she was OK.

https://www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/our-kids-were-raped-classmates-dfe-wont-listen

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3364173-Our-kids-were-raped-by-classmates-DfE-wont-listen

NB: I've no difficulty believing that there's been an increase because of the ambient permissiveness and lack of action in response to the 'awareness'.

‘Our kids were raped by classmates. The DfE won’t listen’

Two mothers share their despair over the government’s lack of action in tackling sexual violence in schools

https://www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/our-kids-were-raped-classmates-dfe-wont-listen

powershowerforanhour · 23/07/2024 10:08

"Is anyone surprised about it when people are defending this arse hole and saying he shouldn't have been sacked"

Most of the BTL comments, and all the top voted ones, on that Daily Mail article are from people disgusted by his behaviour. There are one or two dismissing the story as snowflakery but one is from a deleted account and the others all have received firm and sensible rebuttal from other readers as far as I can see.

Hoardasurass · 23/07/2024 10:22

powershowerforanhour · 23/07/2024 10:08

"Is anyone surprised about it when people are defending this arse hole and saying he shouldn't have been sacked"

Most of the BTL comments, and all the top voted ones, on that Daily Mail article are from people disgusted by his behaviour. There are one or two dismissing the story as snowflakery but one is from a deleted account and the others all have received firm and sensible rebuttal from other readers as far as I can see.

The yougov poll from yesterday disagrees with the DM comments

"Violence against women a ‘national emergency’ in England and Wales"
"Violence against women a ‘national emergency’ in England and Wales"
cupcaske123 · 23/07/2024 10:26

RethinkingLife · 23/07/2024 10:04

Sexual assaults have always happened in schools but they've rarely been acknowledged, far less named as such in the past.

An earlier distressing thread about children who are raped or sexually assaulted in school:

In the first incident, a staff member saw the children in the corner of the playground – but then proceeded to tell the girl off.

“She was told off for having her knickers and her tights down around by her knees with one of these boys behind her,” Anna said.

On a second occasion, another member of staff saw one of the boys with his head up her skirt. The assistant told off the girl for letting the boy stick his head up her skirt, and the boys were just told to “run away”. The girl was not talked to separately, asked what had happened or whether she was OK.

https://www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/our-kids-were-raped-classmates-dfe-wont-listen

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3364173-Our-kids-were-raped-by-classmates-DfE-wont-listen

NB: I've no difficulty believing that there's been an increase because of the ambient permissiveness and lack of action in response to the 'awareness'.

I'm talking about primary schools and in particular cases where children are addicted to porn and acting out what they're viewing online.

As I said in my original post, sexual assault is rarely reported. We have absolutely no idea how many rapes and sexual assaults there are a year.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 23/07/2024 10:31

Thoroughlydisillusioned · 23/07/2024 08:17

Those numbers are horrendous. 1 in 12 women.

1 in 12 each year. And 1 in 20 men committing an offence each year. So the total.numbers will be considerably higher.

Similarly with the 3000 recorded crimes per day. The report acknowledges it's probably twice that because of under-reporting. But at least in the article it's not also mentioned that some of those crimes (stalking, harrassment) by definition require multiple incidents to occur before it counts as a crime. And many police officers do their best to avoid accepting and recording reports.

loveyouradvice · 23/07/2024 10:43

This is SO disturbing... and when it says:
The report estimated that one in 20 adults - or 2.3 million people - were perpetrators of violence against women and girls every year

I presume that means 1 in 10 men??

Guessing the proportion of women committing these crimes is tiny - perhaps 5% of them, or less? Anyone know??

And yes, they need to start calling it Male Violence Against Women and Children...