KJK Live streams being sacked from her GPs surgery - trans staff member

[HootyMcBooby]

Forward to 19.15 for the actual phone call.

KJK confrontation with trans staff member at her GPs surgery.

This ideology has no place in the NHS.
As someone whose Mother, aged 72, had a stroke and waited in an NHS corridor on a trolley for 16 hours only to be asked as the doctors FIRST question....... "how do you identify?", I feel the NHS is captured beyond hope,

I'm not quite sure whether you're agreeing with me or not, but I'll answer on both fronts.

"But this is similar behaviour of many TRAs" is most definitely not an excuse if an individual wants to be taken seriously as an adult and sway people to their line of thinking. If you want to paint (Group) as irrational, abusive bullies, you don't stoop to their level and then try present yourself as some sort of paragon of sensibility that others are meant to rally behind despite indulging in the same obnoxious, bully-like tactics.

KJK cannot bully trans-identified people out of existence. It does not work like that.

This is, as many here like to call it, whataboutery.

Why should she? What has her husband got to do with this? He runs his own company, she does her activism. They're two different people and women (thankfully) are no longer considered to be their husbands' possessions.

Why aren't you also asking about what her parents do, or siblings? What about her children? There are four of them, and given how popular trans identities are at the moment amongst children and young people, it's possible, even likely, that some of their friends might identify as trans. I'm sure you could find some juicy gossip there to satisfy your witch-burning urges.

Go on, cast your net wider, and see how many people's lives and livelihoods you can destroy with guilt by association in your purity spiral.

Or you could just get a life and stop being so obsessed with someone you hate.

100% agree.

As far as I'm concerned the people who have contributed the most to the movement are people like Stephanie Davis-Arai, Emma Hilton, Jo Phoenix, Janice Turner etc - those who have put in the hard graft of presenting the data, convincing opinion formers, turning the political tide.

Whenever I hear about KJK's great contributions, all I hear is variations of "she gets us publicity" - well, what does that achieve if it makes us look like the transphobic bigots the other side tries to claim we are? It would be perfectly possible for her to give women a platform - which is supposed to be her raison d'etre - without trying to hound trans people out of their jobs.

So, KJK is above criticism because she puts herself out there, and her detractors obviously have not. OK.

I really don't want to engage in this sort of argumentation, because it's defensive and silly. KJK puts herself out there as a political and ideological activist and therefore is subject to scrutiny from members of the public. Full stop. Calling into question the credentials of her critics is a low-effort attempt to prevent people from voicing negative opinions about her methods.

And you are absolutely defending her. You are attempting to rationalise and justify her absurd public outburst in this very post. You are all across this thread defending her. And that's fine - it's your right to support her; I've no qualms with it. But let's drop the pretense that you're coming from a place of impartial indifference, when all your posts in this thread thus far have been putting together excuses for her and making condescending remarks to those critical of her behaviour.

Presumably people think she should because, as has been said, she paints herself as uncompromising (and indeed is very critical of the slightest compromise from others), and living off the earnings of a man whose company appears very active in supporting all things LGBTQIA+ (the company's term) looks very compromising indeed.

I think trying to destroy someone's livelihood because you disagree with his wife's activism is a pretty nasty thing to do.

Or are you trying to destroy her marriage? That's nasty, too.

You could just stop with the purity spiral.

I don’t agree with how KJK has behaved nor some of her extreme views but I will be forever grateful to her campaigning for women’s rights.
It was reading articles about KJK and her LWS events that first drew my attention to the issue’s affecting women’s rights. Until then I was unaware that men pretending to be women were demanding access and acceptance in women’s sports and spaces.

Cleary, she’s the target for TRA’s to go after as they believe it’s all her fault the rights of transgender people are being stripped away from them.

No one is trying to destroy anyone's livelihood or marriage. Grow up.

These are questions about a person who has set themselves up as 'uncompromising', 'holding the line', etc. And who is quite keen on jumping on anyone else who falls short in her eyes. She's a hypocrite. Lots of people are and if those people are high profile then attention is often drawn to it. I appreciate it must be quite disappointing for anyone heavily invested in her 'brand', but hey ho.

Doesn’t she make her own money? Why assume she’s ‘living off his earnings’ ?

Through the t-shirts?

no only TRA do that of course!!!

don’t forget the stickers

So if her husband finances her, what business is it of anyone else’s ?
Maybe he agrees with her campaign.

i think some have an issue with that as they are profiting off of it while denouncing it on the other hand.

or people wonder if she actually believes any of what she is saying.

Or you could just get a life and stop being so obsessed with someone you hate.

It'll never catch on!

Lots of people's lives and livelihoods have been destroyed by 'guilt by association' purity spirals.

No idea what the 'grow up' comment is meant to mean. It's precisely because I'm not a child (and not all that young anymore, sadly) that I understand that complete purity really isn't possible. It's something that many of us felt in our youth (myself included), that we shouldn't ever compromise on our principles.

Most of us soon realise, in early adulthood, that this sort of purity really isn't possible unless we become hermits living in caves with no contact with the rest of society. Real adult life is all about compromises. I'm sure you know this if you're an adult.

If you think KJK hasn't yet learned this lesson, take it up with her. Tell her to grow up. But stop trying to drag her family into this. They're not responsible for her actions. Purity spirals help no one.

I mean, KJK spends a great deal of time attacking other women for not being pure enough. There's hours and hours of YouTube videos of her shouting about it. She raises funds and sells merchandise off the back of those videos, literally monetising her attacks on feminists and campaigners. Purity spirals are part of her stock in trade.

I think she's big enough and tough enough to sustain some criticism on Mumsnet. Especially since she's more than happy to dish it out.

As I said before, I have supported her and defended her. I've attended her events, I've bought t-shirts (which never arrived but hey ho). I think she's extraordinarily gifted as a campaigner and public speaker. I just think she could spend less time bullying people and egging on her followers to attack other women.

Calling into question the credentials of her critics is a low-effort attempt to prevent people from voicing negative opinions about her methods.

You can have as many negative opinions about her methods as you want. As far as I am concerned if she has broken the law then report her. If you have issues with her methods, call her up on her talk show and tell her. That is your right. Crack on.

This is a discussion forum and so a discussion is held. I've chipped in when I happened to come back on here and pressed 'Threads I'm on' and see a response I wanted to respond to.

You can put yourself out there, you can not put yourself out there, that's your choice. I'm not giving her excuses, but I think if I'd been through what she had, I'd be hyper sensitive to a He/Him badge wearing woman in a binder pretending to be a man who has access to my medical records. I think this because I've known her to go from obnoxious mumsnet poster on here who was boisterous and gobby to a known international voice on the matter. What she has actually done to get her message out is pretty phenomenal, and you can see this from the sheer volume of threads about her.

People that do what she has done don't get there by shutting up when they see things they don't agree with. Personally, as I've said in my posts 'all over this thread' I wouldn't have given the envelope to anyone and I'd have just changed doctors. And I wouldn't have posted the surgery name. But in this world of immediate media is is always going to be likely that a known activist would live stream the call and post the surgery. That was a huge error on their part if they wanted to stay anonymous. They could have called her and arranged a meeting and discussed her concerns with her. That's what I would have done.

We used to have this thing which was 'I don't agree with what you say but I defend your right to say it'. We need to remember if we silence the people who will speak up, then we will all end up having to shut up.

Well said @AlisonDonut

This isnt about KJK, if it was, everyone would be speaking directly to her on youtube not here. Its about how many women support her stance and how much that goes against a more respectable opinions of women in the media and in politics.

We all know how much we have to compromise in real life with family and work, and we all know how supposedly insignificant things can tip us over the edge.

KJK, like many of us, doesnt have any real power, but can speak about how ridiculous and dangerous it all is. And thats what the more respectable and political voices don't want exposing - their inability to say (or maybe see) the reality of trans ideology they are trying to compromise with. And how little they have achieved for women on this issue.

KJK got kicked out of a doctors list because she wouldn't lie.
That is serious and affects us all.
we have people in here trying to blame her for it. But it is is the strand movement that did it

Kjk could speak about how stupid and dangerous it is that her husband’s company promotes lgbtqia+ ideology. Why doesn’t she?

she was kicked off the doctors because she decided to abuse a member of their staff. there was no reason for her to mention the pronouns whatsoever.

She had already said she wanted to be taken off their register before they 'kicked her off'.