KJK Live streams being sacked from her GPs surgery - trans staff member

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Forward to 19.15 for the actual phone call.

KJK confrontation with trans staff member at her GPs surgery.

This ideology has no place in the NHS.
As someone whose Mother, aged 72, had a stroke and waited in an NHS corridor on a trolley for 16 hours only to be asked as the doctors FIRST question....... "how do you identify?", I feel the NHS is captured beyond hope,

Yep. It also explains how stilted she is on that podcast. She finishes saying something and then pauses like a deer on the headlights, as if she doesn't know what to say next. I'm guessing because she's checking the phone and the call isn't coming through as promptly as she expects.

Exactly. I ring people as part of my job, occasionally they will ask if I can ring them back in x amount of time. There is no saying that this didn't happen even if the call wasn't pre-arranged.

KJK acts like a loose cannon at times and her behaviour should be called out when she crosses the line. If calls are made for trans allies to do so on some of the dreadful things done by TRAs, then the same should happen here.

The manager was standing up for her staff member. Same as I would hope if someone was abusive to me in my work place my boss would stand up for me and tell the individual their business wasn't welcome.

The receptionist didn't start anything. They were merely sat there doing their job. How many of us say we don't care what people wear or call themselves we just don't want the opposite sex in our safe spaces. KjK was transphobic here not gender critical. There is a massive difference.

Well said

That's great if it was decided between you that that's something you all like doing. I was imagining a much larger group of people and the activities being imposed from above with a strict division along sex lines. I assume if you'd had someone like me in your small office it would have been possible to accommodate a woman who thinks that a spa day sounds like some sort of hell (and enjoys a track day).

this 10000%. i have said it so many times. Gender Critical and Transphobic are two different things.

And if you read my posts, you'll see that I already said that KJK didn't have the right to demand that someone be sacked, nor to livestream a call.

Read my posts before you accuse me of saying things that I didn't say. There's been a lot of very creative misreadings of my posts on this thread and it's rather tiresome.

First of all, I'm not defending KJK's behaviour here. I think she acted inappropriately and was unnecessarily rude.

I also agree that the manager is right to stand up for her staff if they are being abused by a member of the public. Nobody should have to face abuse at work.

However, the manager should realise that she is taking an ideological position on a controversial issue by saying that all staff would be wearing pronoun badges. If she doesn't understand why this is inappropriate in a healthcare setting she needs some training to understand this. The surgery should be free of ideology and religious style beliefs if it is to be a safe and comfortable place for all service users, not just those who believe in genderism.

KJK handled this badly, but there is an important issue here to be discussed.

admittedly i’m not sure when her descent to far right began/started showing but i’d say many are the same as you. feel let down by it and quite ashamed at how they defended someone who turned out to be awful.

i wonder if she was ever not far right but was better at hiding it before?

Read my post from 03:28 and the article I linked. Antifa are building a global database of people they don't like and any "TERFs" they can out will be on it.

In emails, I've seen people put Mr or Ms to hint that.

I've also seen articles advising women not to hint that because being presumed male has definite advantages at work. And I've also heard of British women working with clients in places like Saudi Arabia have a separate mailbox under a male false name because the client wouldn't knowingly interact with a woman. I'm not comfortable with that last situation because it entails deceit.

are we going to play tit for tat about assholes being assholes? whatever side of ideology they fall on?

many anti trans people have made me (a woman from birth) feel extremely unsafe. threatened me. told me i deserve to be raped etc.

lots of people are awful - the PP was explaining that they don’t have a preconceived notion that people involved in either side have a criminal mindset because most people don’t.

She was originally a supporter of Labour (possibly a party member).

Then the left became consumed by genderism.

She talks about it in this interview, starting at about 8 mins in.
https://www.feministcurrent.com/2019/01/24/podcast-posie-parker-standing-for-women/

She was horrified at the Tories winning the GE in 2015 and joined a group called something like 'amazing lefty women' which turned out to have a large contingent of male crossdressers in it.

i’m going to have to disagree - she isn’t objective and clearly isn’t self aware at all so i can’t really agree that she was ever ‘left’ when half of the things she says are literally right wing dog whistles. her comments on jan 6, muslims and many other situations come to mind.

she plays at being a ‘feminist’ but only so she can be transphobic.

a preconceived notion that people involved in either side have a criminal mindset because most people don't.

That's a hell of a misrepresentation of the security mindset. You don't lock your front door because most people aren't burglars, but because some people, no matter how small a minority, are.

many anti trans people have made me (a woman from birth) feel extremely unsafe. threatened me. told me i deserve to be raped etc.

We get this too and it's awful. Wes Streeting is now getting threats because he's going to protect children from puberty blockers.

She doesn't describe herself as a feminist.

Did you listen to the interview?

but again, they said they don’t believe all in the gender movement have a criminal mindset, not that none of them do.

you have proved my point. neither side is without their awful people, so we should be calling them all out for being disgusting. not ignoring it because ‘they’re on my side!’

i know she doesn’t which is why it’s in quotes. she plays at being a feminist by using her platform to talk about how trans people are eroding women’s rights etc - yet speaks against women a lot of the time.

and no thank you - the one lot of her talking in the last 24 hours has met my limit of self flagellation.

do you believe she has since not supporting the labour party has turned far right? or was she always far right?

Can you define what you mean by 'far right'?

People use this term to mean different things. Some people use it to refer to everyone they disagree with.

Perhaps you could give some examples of things she's done which have led you to believe 'she is far right'.

the manager should realise that she is taking an ideological position on a controversial issue by saying that all staff would be wearing pronoun badges.

If a receptionist was wearing an Adult Human Female badge and a trans person came in, that trans person would be justified in feeling uncomfortable because that badge is a political statement disagreeing with that trans person's protected belief in gender identity.

If a receptionist was wearing a pronouns badge, a gender critical person would be justified in feeling uncomfortable because that badge is a political statement disagreeing with the GC person's protected disbelief in gender identity.

It would be same for a receptionist wearing a Labour badge or a Conservative badge. It would be the same for a receptionist in Northern Ireland wearing an Ireland flag pin or a Red Hand flag pin.

It is not appropriate for NHS staff to openly take positions on political issues whilst at work. We can say this and at the same time disagree with how KJK has behaved.

When I'm making a risk assessment, I assume that one of the criminal minority might be present. It's part of the security mindset.

her talking about jan 6 being ‘just selfies in the capital’
repeating tommy robinson claims about muslims cutting up women and putting her in meat.
multiple neo nazis supporting her (here is a hint, they don’t like anyone not like them)
so much islamophobia.
publicly talking shit about a women in the SS for Trump.

she is far right.

multiple neo nazis supporting her

Since when does a group supporting you (do they support her?) automatically make you part of that group? Bit of a stretch.

Though quite impressive that it was 300 odd posts in before the Far Right Bingo started.

I raised the issue of her drifting rightwards but I think it's inaccurate to say she was supported by neo-nazis, if we're talking about the Melbourne event.

Neo-nazi's were present because they turn up to everything in Melbourne if they think there'll be an opportunity to fight with Antifa. I don't believe they ever said they were there to support Posie. Note that this didn't happen in Sydney, Perth, Brisbane, Hobart or Canberra. Only Melbourne because Victoria hasn't dealt effectively with these groups and have limited the police's power to move people on.

Amazing a GP surgery that seems to think that people can change what they are at birth. I worry about the messages that this sends out to teenagers and children.