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KJK Live streams being sacked from her GPs surgery - trans staff member

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HootyMcBooby · 19/07/2024 17:15

Forward to 19.15 for the actual phone call.

KJK confrontation with trans staff member at her GPs surgery.

This ideology has no place in the NHS.
As someone whose Mother, aged 72, had a stroke and waited in an NHS corridor on a trolley for 16 hours only to be asked as the doctors FIRST question....... "how do you identify?", I feel the NHS is captured beyond hope,

I've had to leave my GP surgery due to an activist working there. #LWS #LetWomenSpeak #LWSLocals

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:34

Afraid that wasn’t the impression you have made on me.

Devastated.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/07/2024 03:34

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:32

She said it herself, she didn’t think she had to be courteous to her assailant

Why would anyone feel they had to be "courteous" to their assailant?

To keep court proceedings as orderly as possible to ensure a fair trial for the accused.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:35

It's a bit of a tall order for a woman punched in the face by a man to go along with the idea that he's a woman, no?

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/07/2024 03:37

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:35

It's a bit of a tall order for a woman punched in the face by a man to go along with the idea that he's a woman, no?

She wasn’t ordered to. That was one of two choices she was offered.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:39

I didn't say she was "ordered". I said it's a tall order. You seem to think it's reasonable to expect a woman punched in the face by a man to pretend she thinks she's been punched by a woman though?

BeachParty · 20/07/2024 03:39

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/07/2024 03:32

Afraid that wasn’t the impression you have made on me.

Yep
Goes against all other posts ever made so had to double check just hmmm

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:40

Haha backatcha @BeachParty

BeachParty · 20/07/2024 03:40

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:40

Haha backatcha @BeachParty

👍

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:40

LOL

MaidOfAle · 20/07/2024 03:41

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/07/2024 03:31

I doubt I am agreeing with you as the rest of that statement was it takes more effort to consistently pick the wrong pronoun than it does to use a gender neutral term or pronoun, and option she was offered but refused.

As for your astonishment, until the trial is over the accused is presumed innocent. They are not a “criminal” until after conviction. The requirement for civility and courtesy ensures a fairer trial. Or would you rather go back to the days when screaming witch and burn her in a court room was not only encouraged but viewed as hard evidence of guilt?

So correctly-sexed pronouns are now equivalent to screaming "witch" and "burn her"? Talk about hyperbole.

The judge policing a witness's use of pronouns runs the risk of impairing that witness's ability to give the best and most accurate evidence. That risks making the trial less fair. One might argue that giving vulnerable witnesses the option to give evidence from behind a curtain risks making the trial somehow less fair because they don't give the defendant the courtesy of eye contact. In reality, we recognise that a comfortable witness is more likely to be accurate than an uncomfortable one.

I've been a juror. I've seen how this works within the court room and I remember the judge telling us that the purpose of the curtain was to make the witness as comfortable as possible so that she could give the best possible evidence. The defendant behaved extremely contemptuously during her evidence, rolling his eyes and pulling faces, so I can see why she asked for the curtain.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:41

The judge policing a witness's use of pronouns runs the risk of impairing that witness's ability to give the best and most accurate evidence. That risks making the trial less fair.

This.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:45

You seem to think it's reasonable to expect a woman punched in the face by a man to pretend she thinks she's been punched by a woman though?

Just going to bed. Concerned that several pronoun fans on this thread appear to think this. Pronouns über alles. Good to know.

Garlickest · 20/07/2024 04:45

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/07/2024 01:47

This is all irrelevant because we aren’t talking about professions or titles which are earned but about outwards symbols of beliefs which are internal and self-determined.

You're being disingenuous. In this scenario, I internally believe myself to be a Police Sergeant. You can't say professions are more real & meaningful than bodily sex!

That is, you can: you just did. I just don't believe it's what you really think.

forgotmyusername1 · 20/07/2024 05:16

OldCrone · 19/07/2024 21:35

What do you think 'trans' means?

If the staff at the surgery didn't think the receptionist had changed sex, why were they all insisting on referring to her as a man?

Men are male. Women are female. If a woman thinks she's a man, she must think she's changed sex.

We have a member of staff who is a trans woman

I am very gender critical and my belief is he is male and nothing is ever going to change that. My boss used to do a ladies day out and a men's day out for a Christmas present - usually the girls went to a spa day together and the boys went car racing at the track. This is now being changed to something less gendered as some of the women weren't comfortable with our new colleague joining us on a spa trip.

However when discussing this individual with other people or speaking to them at work I use preferred name and pronouns to be polite and to not make their life harder.

You can be gender critical without being a dick to a trans person.

PlanetJanette · 20/07/2024 05:54

MaidOfAle · 20/07/2024 03:01

Depends. Am I openly GC and does this person have access to my most private medical records.

When faced with a movement containing people who have literally advocated violence against Wes Streeting because of the ban on prescribing puberty blockers to gender-distressed children, and my GP has employed someone who is telling me that they are a sympathiser of that movement, do I trust that person not to abuse their access to my medical records? The answer is that I don't.

Remember Emma Healey, the Mumsnet intern, posting users' IPs? Think about how much more damage publishing your address and medical history would do.

KJK was free to change GP surgery.

This is about the nonsense victimhood of claiming to have been ‘sacked’ by her GPs. She was removed after she proved on three occasions that she would not refrain from harassing and attacking the surgery’s staff member.

Lovely to see that the GC movement is now the movement of abusing NHS staff.

MessinaBloom · 20/07/2024 07:16

@MaidOfAle

When faced with a movement containing people who have literally advocated violence against Wes Streeting because of the ban on prescribing puberty blockers to gender-distressed children, and my GP has employed someone who is telling me that they are a sympathiser of that movement, do I trust that person not to abuse their access to my medical records? The answer is that I don't.

See, I don't have these problems. I don't tend to think most people in the gender movement - whatever that is - have a criminal mindset. I also am not naturally distrustful of others based on their gender/sex. Then, I don't abuse other people in their own workplaces.

This isn't 'be kind'. This is 'being an adult'.

Alwaystired94 · 20/07/2024 07:28

HootyMcBooby · 19/07/2024 20:32

Christian jewellery does not compel people to use required (forced) pronouns, nor does it stand for an ideology which advocates sterilising children, and eroding women's rights.

It is absolutely NOT comparable to trans symbols/lanyards/badges.
It does not require the belief of OTHER people or the compelled use of language and denial of reality.

Christian jewellery does not compel people to use required (forced) pronouns, nor does it stand for an ideology which advocates sterilising children, and eroding women's rights.

hahah yes, christianity the great tenet of womens rights!

nutmeg7 · 20/07/2024 07:37

MessinaBloom · 20/07/2024 02:12

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Did they force you to believe in Christianity?

Have you been forced to believe in transgenderism and pronouns? Given the evidence, I don't think you have.

Forced to pretend to believe, certainly.

Zita60 · 20/07/2024 07:51

MaidOfAle · 20/07/2024 03:28

This comes back to what I just realised when writing my last post: "if my name was Salman Rushdie, I might have a different assessment of that risk."

I have to consider:

  1. Is this receptionist an Emma Healey / Luna Spain type, prepared to risk the sack and possible legal proceedings for the sake of political outcomes?
  2. Am I prominent enough for this person to know who I am, see the name in the records, and join the dots?
  3. How much damage can this person do if the answers to (1) and (2) are "yes"?

In answer to (2), I only have to have been included on the dox database mentioned in https://archive.is/K2IQ1 and I'm at risk.

That whole article you linked to is insane. It’s full of self-righteous hatred.

It’s so easy for them to dismiss the GC position as being far right, and not have to deal with the fact that many GCs are on the left.

saraclara · 20/07/2024 07:53

You can be gender critical without being a dick to a trans person.

And that's what KJK apparently finds impossible, based on that video. And that's what makes her transphobic.

Fullyflavoured · 20/07/2024 08:37

I bet they all breathed a sigh of relief to be rid of her.

AlisonDonut · 20/07/2024 09:25

KJK being forthright? Whatever next?

I thought the woman on reception was non binary? Not trans? And would anyone have cared if she didn't have a he/him badge on?

Wearing a binder? So public self harm. Such a great look for a doctors surgery to place someone who is in clear distress and unable to comprehend reality front and centre.

She has every right to wonder what that person might do with the information within her and her family's medical records.

Personally I'd have walked out and not left a letter with them, and just requested a move to a different surgery. But then again she is KJK. They must know she would publicise the fuss being made.

But hey, pronoun badges for all coming to all your doctors surgeries across the land. So cool and edgy.

AlisonDonut · 20/07/2024 09:28

saraclara · 20/07/2024 07:53

You can be gender critical without being a dick to a trans person.

And that's what KJK apparently finds impossible, based on that video. And that's what makes her transphobic.

A phobia is an irrational fear. She has every reason to be fearful of people who purport to be in denial of reality, due to their past behaviour. Ergo it cannot be a phobia.

Also the woman on reception isn't trans. But is apparently either neither a woman or a man or is both. Who knows?

Alwaystired94 · 20/07/2024 09:37

AlisonDonut · 20/07/2024 09:28

A phobia is an irrational fear. She has every reason to be fearful of people who purport to be in denial of reality, due to their past behaviour. Ergo it cannot be a phobia.

Also the woman on reception isn't trans. But is apparently either neither a woman or a man or is both. Who knows?

‘or an aversion to something’ that’s the full definition of phobia.

WinkyMcFlapFace · 20/07/2024 09:41

HootyMcBooby · 19/07/2024 23:32

How is a biological definition (factual reality) printed on a sticker or a jumper, comparable to the kind of activism used by TRAs?

Her thing is "Woman = Adult Human Female".

It's hardly a contentious statement for most sane people.

Pronoun badges or email signs are not contentious for most sane people.

They are used by thousands of people worldwide in their work, as guided by their managers.

You all continuing to describe it as some provocative activist statement doesn’t make it true. It’s perfectly ordinary.

And again, none of the pronoun like / dislike stuff excuses swearing at and harassing people in their workplace, or live streaming a phone call without consent.

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