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KJK Live streams being sacked from her GPs surgery - trans staff member

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HootyMcBooby · 19/07/2024 17:15

Forward to 19.15 for the actual phone call.

KJK confrontation with trans staff member at her GPs surgery.

This ideology has no place in the NHS.
As someone whose Mother, aged 72, had a stroke and waited in an NHS corridor on a trolley for 16 hours only to be asked as the doctors FIRST question....... "how do you identify?", I feel the NHS is captured beyond hope,

I've had to leave my GP surgery due to an activist working there. #LWS #LetWomenSpeak #LWSLocals

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 02:57

Glad you think so. Many of your fellow travellers don't.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/07/2024 02:57

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 20/07/2024 02:54

She was punched in the face.

Yes there was kicking as well. She was defending herself.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 20/07/2024 02:59

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/07/2024 02:57

Yes there was kicking as well. She was defending herself.

As she should against these misogynistic cunts.

MaidOfAle · 20/07/2024 03:01

BeachParty · 20/07/2024 02:53

Yes, agree with this
Why would you feel unsafe dealing with a receptionist who stated their pronouns?
If they are competent at their job that's all I give a shit about.

Depends. Am I openly GC and does this person have access to my most private medical records.

When faced with a movement containing people who have literally advocated violence against Wes Streeting because of the ban on prescribing puberty blockers to gender-distressed children, and my GP has employed someone who is telling me that they are a sympathiser of that movement, do I trust that person not to abuse their access to my medical records? The answer is that I don't.

Remember Emma Healey, the Mumsnet intern, posting users' IPs? Think about how much more damage publishing your address and medical history would do.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:01

Despite how crap the assault trial was, it was still the MTF on trial (supported by a load of "class war" and faux feminist wankers, even though he was a privilege-drenched posh kid) and Maria was the victim.

MaidOfAle · 20/07/2024 03:05

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/07/2024 02:53

Its peaceful compared to blowing up the Manchester arena because we bombed ISIS or stabbing people in London or raping choir boys and girls no so on.

But go on and tell me how your fearing every person with a pronoun badge wants you dead is oh so reasonable and much more terrifying.

Edited

Compare the number of trans people and their vocal allies to the number of Muslims in this country. Then compare the number of threats and attacks on GC people to the number of jihadi attacks.

The likelihood that a pronoun badge wearer is going to be hostile towards me is far higher than that a Muslim will be hostile towards me.

But also, if my name was Salman Rushdie, I might have a different assessment of that risk.

BeachParty · 20/07/2024 03:09

MaidOfAle · 20/07/2024 03:01

Depends. Am I openly GC and does this person have access to my most private medical records.

When faced with a movement containing people who have literally advocated violence against Wes Streeting because of the ban on prescribing puberty blockers to gender-distressed children, and my GP has employed someone who is telling me that they are a sympathiser of that movement, do I trust that person not to abuse their access to my medical records? The answer is that I don't.

Remember Emma Healey, the Mumsnet intern, posting users' IPs? Think about how much more damage publishing your address and medical history would do.

Depends. Am I openly GC and does this person have access to my most private medical records
Why do the two conflate for you though? Genuine question..
Even if you are "Openly GC" - does a medical receptionist automatically know you personally?
They just deal with you on the system like everyone else (they don't know you personally)

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/07/2024 03:10

MaidOfAle · 20/07/2024 03:05

Compare the number of trans people and their vocal allies to the number of Muslims in this country. Then compare the number of threats and attacks on GC people to the number of jihadi attacks.

The likelihood that a pronoun badge wearer is going to be hostile towards me is far higher than that a Muslim will be hostile towards me.

But also, if my name was Salman Rushdie, I might have a different assessment of that risk.

Edited

Leaving aside your ineptitude with comparative statistics including conflating words with actions: Yes, you are more likely to get your feelings hurt with a pronoun badge wearer.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:12

Leaving aside your ineptitude with comparative statistics including conflating words with actions: Yes, you are more likely to get your feelings hurt with a pronoun badge wearer.

Show your working then.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 20/07/2024 03:12

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:12

Leaving aside your ineptitude with comparative statistics including conflating words with actions: Yes, you are more likely to get your feelings hurt with a pronoun badge wearer.

Show your working then.

Yes I'm intrigued.

OldCrone · 20/07/2024 03:13

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/07/2024 02:36

It takes more effort to pick the wrong pronoun so consistently than it does to just say the defendant and they/them. The court gave her the choice to use that or use she/her.

She refused both and went for he/him because in her own words “the judge never explained why I had to be courteous to the person who assaulted me”

Ah see even there she managed to use “person”
So she can do it when she wants to.
She was defying the judge.

It takes more effort to pick the wrong pronoun so consistently

Are you agreeing with us now? That's exactly the point. Apart from the fact that if she'd used female pronouns for him she would have been lying under oath, it would have taken a lot of effort to keep saying "she" when she was talking about a man.

It still astonishes me that victims of crime are being forced by the court to be courteous to criminals, and that the criminals' wishes to have others participate in their fantasy is given precedence over the truth and the difficulties the victim might have in giving evidence when their language is policed in this way.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:17

It still astonishes me that victims of crime are being forced by the court to be courteous to criminals, and that the criminals' wishes to have others participate in their fantasy is given precedence over the truth and the difficulties the victim might have in giving evidence when their language is policed in this way.

Me too. I wonder if it will undermine the legitimacy of these cases in future and open up opportunities to appeal the judgments.

BeachParty · 20/07/2024 03:17

Are you agreeing with us now?
Who's us, does it have to be a hive mind on here 😕
We're all individuals with opinions.

OldCrone · 20/07/2024 03:23

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/07/2024 02:54

It calls into question her intentions and explains the lack of effort. If her struggle had been genuine, I doubt the judge would have reprimanded her.

How did the judge know whether her struggle was genuine? It's pretty difficult to use the wrong sex pronouns for someone consistently. Why should a victim of crime be forced to do that in what is already a stressful situation? Just to satisfy the whims of the person who assaulted her?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:25

Read the post she was replying to @BeachParty 🙄 she clearly means the people who support a woman assaulted by men not being forced to pretend she thinks they are women. Don't you agree that's wrong?

OldCrone · 20/07/2024 03:26

BeachParty · 20/07/2024 03:17

Are you agreeing with us now?
Who's us, does it have to be a hive mind on here 😕
We're all individuals with opinions.

Edited

By "us" I was referring to those of us who think that people shouldn't be forced to use wrong sex pronouns for people who struggle with accepting reality.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/07/2024 03:28

OldCrone · 20/07/2024 03:23

How did the judge know whether her struggle was genuine? It's pretty difficult to use the wrong sex pronouns for someone consistently. Why should a victim of crime be forced to do that in what is already a stressful situation? Just to satisfy the whims of the person who assaulted her?

But she didn’t have to use the wrong “sex pronouns” the judge gave her a gender neutral option that she has shown an ease and fluency in using when she wants to. She said it herself, she didn’t think she had to be courteous to her assailant even though a judge instructed her to do so in their courtroom.

MaidOfAle · 20/07/2024 03:28

BeachParty · 20/07/2024 03:09

Depends. Am I openly GC and does this person have access to my most private medical records
Why do the two conflate for you though? Genuine question..
Even if you are "Openly GC" - does a medical receptionist automatically know you personally?
They just deal with you on the system like everyone else (they don't know you personally)

This comes back to what I just realised when writing my last post: "if my name was Salman Rushdie, I might have a different assessment of that risk."

I have to consider:

  1. Is this receptionist an Emma Healey / Luna Spain type, prepared to risk the sack and possible legal proceedings for the sake of political outcomes?
  2. Am I prominent enough for this person to know who I am, see the name in the records, and join the dots?
  3. How much damage can this person do if the answers to (1) and (2) are "yes"?

In answer to (2), I only have to have been included on the dox database mentioned in https://archive.is/K2IQ1 and I'm at risk.

KJK Live streams being sacked from her GPs surgery - trans staff member
BeachParty · 20/07/2024 03:29

OldCrone · 20/07/2024 03:26

By "us" I was referring to those of us who think that people shouldn't be forced to use wrong sex pronouns for people who struggle with accepting reality.

Why does it matter if a receptionist is or isn't trans though?
They're answering the phone and (hopefully) giving me an appointment.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:30

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SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/07/2024 03:31

OldCrone · 20/07/2024 03:13

It takes more effort to pick the wrong pronoun so consistently

Are you agreeing with us now? That's exactly the point. Apart from the fact that if she'd used female pronouns for him she would have been lying under oath, it would have taken a lot of effort to keep saying "she" when she was talking about a man.

It still astonishes me that victims of crime are being forced by the court to be courteous to criminals, and that the criminals' wishes to have others participate in their fantasy is given precedence over the truth and the difficulties the victim might have in giving evidence when their language is policed in this way.

I doubt I am agreeing with you as the rest of that statement was it takes more effort to consistently pick the wrong pronoun than it does to use a gender neutral term or pronoun, and option she was offered but refused.

As for your astonishment, until the trial is over the accused is presumed innocent. They are not a “criminal” until after conviction. The requirement for civility and courtesy ensures a fairer trial. Or would you rather go back to the days when screaming witch and burn her in a court room was not only encouraged but viewed as hard evidence of guilt?

MaidOfAle · 20/07/2024 03:31

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/07/2024 03:10

Leaving aside your ineptitude with comparative statistics including conflating words with actions: Yes, you are more likely to get your feelings hurt with a pronoun badge wearer.

If you go back to my original post on the subject of pronoun badge wearers, I was talking about them thinking the worse of me. It was someone replying to that who deliberately misrepresented me and started talking about far worse things.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:32

She said it herself, she didn’t think she had to be courteous to her assailant

Why would anyone feel they had to be "courteous" to their assailant?

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/07/2024 03:32

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Afraid that wasn’t the impression you have made on me.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 03:33

As for your astonishment, until the trial is over the accused is presumed innocent.

The trial is over. The accused was guilty. Hope that helps.

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