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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dodds- Minister for Women.

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FondOfOwls · 08/07/2024 11:13

https://x.com/10DowningStreet/status/1810245536869458298

So Anneliese Dodds is officially Minister for Women and Equalities.
Are we completely fcked now?

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/07/2024 10:21

I think it's great that the MSM are raising this post the election. We all know that there are no good reasons to transition vulnerable children. There are no good reasons to allow the Sarah Jane Bakers of the world into women's showers, changing rooms etc - and as for women's sport......
The opposition to child safeguarding and protecting women's rights always boils down to "be kind, don't speak and ignore the terrible things happening to children". There are no coherent, ethical, intellectual arguments in favour of wedging men into women's spaces and transitioning children.
The fact that labour are being faced daily with this reality is good news. It makes it much harder to for them to prioritise the demands of all the trans groups and activists frantically lobbying in the background.

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 09/07/2024 10:22

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 10:18

The thing is; the only thing we can do now for the next 5 years is lobby our MPs.

No. We can fund court cases, especially safeguarding based one where safeguarding law has been broken.

Also commercial fraud / deception based ones. If you advertise a space as 'women's' then 99.9% of the population will think that's sex segregated not gender. So any companies doing this are committing consumer fraud.

This can be won by case law. It'll take longer but there's no other option now.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 09/07/2024 10:22

I hope Starmer remembers he only got one third of the votes cast, on a 60% turnout. People just wanted rid of the Tories.

He can’t afford to alienate half the voters, no matter how scared he is of shouty transactivists. And now that news sources are getting braver, the number of people realising what’s being done can only increase.

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 10:27

Yes 100% @illinivich and @dougalfromthemagicroundabout

The evidence and examples are there.

We don't need to mention etc, just keep pointing out the harms.

For example, data from 10 years ago showed there was one rape a day on in British school on their premises. That's rape, not assault and only those that were reported.

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/67953/html/#:~:text=A%20recent%20BBC%20freedom%20of,day%20in%20a%20UK%20school

Since then, mixed sex loos have increased immensely. GI has driven that.

School refusal, especially girls, has increased immensely.

Kcsie lists the importance of putting safeguarding in place for girls and risk of sexual assault but fails completely to mention loos. That's even after the tories had it for 14 years.

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 10:27

Surely both @dougalfromthemagicroundabout

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 09/07/2024 10:30

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 10:27

Surely both @dougalfromthemagicroundabout

Yes, I meant to say it's not the only thing we can do, but I really think lobbying MPs is going to be pissing in the wind with Labour except for the rare few like Duffield. They think they know best.

For those that only have limited time / resources I personally would recommend focusing on the court cases.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 09/07/2024 10:31

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 09/07/2024 10:22

No. We can fund court cases, especially safeguarding based one where safeguarding law has been broken.

Also commercial fraud / deception based ones. If you advertise a space as 'women's' then 99.9% of the population will think that's sex segregated not gender. So any companies doing this are committing consumer fraud.

This can be won by case law. It'll take longer but there's no other option now.

Good point.

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 10:46

@dougalfromthemagicroundabout that's a good point but I personally, and many I know, can't afford to fund cases personally.

I can become a regular pen pal / surgery visitor for my mp who is now part of the DFE 😈 (and I have a list of other things concerning education and safeguarding to boot.)

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 10:46

*fund many cases that should say.

ScrollingLeaves · 09/07/2024 10:59

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/07/2024 10:21

I think it's great that the MSM are raising this post the election. We all know that there are no good reasons to transition vulnerable children. There are no good reasons to allow the Sarah Jane Bakers of the world into women's showers, changing rooms etc - and as for women's sport......
The opposition to child safeguarding and protecting women's rights always boils down to "be kind, don't speak and ignore the terrible things happening to children". There are no coherent, ethical, intellectual arguments in favour of wedging men into women's spaces and transitioning children.
The fact that labour are being faced daily with this reality is good news. It makes it much harder to for them to prioritise the demands of all the trans groups and activists frantically lobbying in the background.

The opposition to child safeguarding and protecting women's rights always boils down to "be kind, don't speak and ignore the terrible things happening to children". There are no coherent, ethical, intellectual arguments in favour of wedging men into women's spaces and transitioning children.

You are most likely right about it boiling down to be kind, and I think there are some people who, to be kind, *do^ think transitioning, or at least affirming children is ethical.

For example, I suspect that Bridget Phillipson, who is possibly too good and honest to lie under questioning - who said when questioned by Laura Kuenssberg that Labour would not retain proposed Conservative, revised education guidelines designed to stop children from being taught that people have gender identities ( may be in the wrong body), because trans people exist - may well think that a certain proportion of humans are always born trans. Therefore it would be unethical to prevent them from being their true selves, or prevent other children from understanding them.

It is as though some people who ought to know more about the subject really don’t. And now their own identities are tied to thinking of themselves as supporters of the oppressed, they block their ears against hearing the facts as far as they are known.

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 09/07/2024 11:11

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 10:46

@dougalfromthemagicroundabout that's a good point but I personally, and many I know, can't afford to fund cases personally.

I can become a regular pen pal / surgery visitor for my mp who is now part of the DFE 😈 (and I have a list of other things concerning education and safeguarding to boot.)

I do understand that - but it doesn't just have to be actually donating, it can be publicising, getting the information out there. Also, sending tribunal tweet threads to MPs is probably quite useful with a 'I think it is important in your role as constituency MP/ Minister for Women' etc 'that you read this'.

If everyone does what they can, we'll win, because reality is on our side.

Some women can't speak plainly for fear of losing their jobs, so may prefer to fund the cases, others don't have money but do have some time and can lobby MPs. We all need to play to our strengths.

Now I'm thinking about it I do think raising awareness of the court cases with MPs is important. The two go together. Their TWAW no debate stance doesn't really hold up even against the weight of cases already won in the courts.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/07/2024 11:16

ScrollingLeaves · 09/07/2024 10:59

The opposition to child safeguarding and protecting women's rights always boils down to "be kind, don't speak and ignore the terrible things happening to children". There are no coherent, ethical, intellectual arguments in favour of wedging men into women's spaces and transitioning children.

You are most likely right about it boiling down to be kind, and I think there are some people who, to be kind, *do^ think transitioning, or at least affirming children is ethical.

For example, I suspect that Bridget Phillipson, who is possibly too good and honest to lie under questioning - who said when questioned by Laura Kuenssberg that Labour would not retain proposed Conservative, revised education guidelines designed to stop children from being taught that people have gender identities ( may be in the wrong body), because trans people exist - may well think that a certain proportion of humans are always born trans. Therefore it would be unethical to prevent them from being their true selves, or prevent other children from understanding them.

It is as though some people who ought to know more about the subject really don’t. And now their own identities are tied to thinking of themselves as supporters of the oppressed, they block their ears against hearing the facts as far as they are known.

Agreed. People have been trained to see setting children on a path to life long sterilisation and body mutilation as a kind thing to do.
That's why #nodebate was pushed from the outset. If you forbid critical thinking / debate and discussion about an issue then all manner of harm can be promoted - even to children.

flyingbuttress43 · 09/07/2024 13:01

It's probably years down the line but what we need is a class act against health providers by the boys and girls who have been mutilated without fully informed consent.

Another thing we could do with is women acting against our instincts. When some Lea Thomas type rocks up in a women's football or rugby changing room, instead of being embarrassed or anxious throw the b*gger bodily out. A transwoman can intimidate one, two, three or even four women maybe but 11? It needs to happen. It must happen.

Imnobody4 · 09/07/2024 13:11

This is strange , I'm beginning to believe no one knows what they actually think. They'll say anything. Sent just before election day.
https://twitter.com/EmSilverwood91/status/1810281014503034998?t=DMjv_Q7yWq1daqhANB1wzw&s=19

For anyone interested this is what
@AnnelieseDodds
responded after asked by a constituent if she’d protect single-sex spaces @MForstater

ScrollingLeaves · 09/07/2024 16:16

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 10:18

The thing is; the only thing we can do now for the next 5 years is lobby our MPs.

That
https://x.com/Psychgirl211/status/1808825717204922755
is a brilliant article you posted @WarriorN thank you.

There is so much included in it that it is hard to know where to begin to discuss it.

One thing that stands out is that Gender Dysphoria is a misleading word and we should speak about BAD, Body Anxiety Disorder which should be simply treated just like other anxiety disorder, and could even be a secondary diagnosis following from autism or depression.

Of only this could this be read by MPs.

These excerpts stand out particularly imo in making sense in a way that most people would understand.

Gender Dysphoria as a diagnosis also lacks what psychologists call ‘face validity’, namely is something measuring (in this case describing), what it appears to be describing? How can a six-year-old with precocious puberty, a 16-year-old autistic boy, a 30-year-old lesbian, and a 50-year-old married autogynephilic (AGP) man who secretly wears his wife’s knickers, who are all at different developmental stages and who have quite dissimilar psycho-social experiences, all be suffering from exactly the same clinical condition? This simply lacks credibility!

………….

Gender Dysphoria is the only psychological construct wherein the client essentially diagnoses themselves and also determines their own severity, (the Humpty Dumpty effect). The therapist is simply expected to ‘affirm’ the client’s false belief. The clinical assessment, intervention, evaluation and reformulation that occurs with every other psychological condition is not allowed. It is often even illegal. In some countries such as Brazil, Taiwan, Ecuador, Argentina, Germany, New Zealand and Canada, a therapist attempting to work ethically, (ie carrying out exploratory psychotherapy such as simply asking a client why they think they are ‘trans’) can lose their practicing license, or even be convicted for practicing so-called ‘conversion therapy’.

………..

Interestingly,
CryMiaRiver
thinks Autogynephilia should have its own diagnostic category and that Gender Dysphoria, (such as it is), should become a secondary diagnosis to a primary diagnostic category, for example of autism or depression
https://shorturl.at/N0xsL
This is an interesting proposition and I look forward to her expanding upon this

……..

This strongly suggests that Gender Dysphoria is just a new, false and incredibly dangerous explanation for psychological distress arising from developmental, psychosocial and neurobiological conditions that mental health professionals have known about and which we have successfully treated forever. For example conditions and presentations such autism, learning disabilities, bullying, same-sex attraction, family dysfunction, poor peer relationships, emerging mental illness or personality disorder, not liking one’s body, being disturbed by the physical changes of puberty, etc. And also childhood sexual abuse, which, sadly, is a huge driver for later trans identification, especially amongst girls.

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https://x.com/@_CryMiaRiver

ScrollingLeaves · 09/07/2024 16:23

That post was withheld for MN to look at, at the point of clicking ‘post’, so I think AI must have spotted a certain word that is not welcomed. I cannot think of another reason. If so, it was just part of a quote from an article by a psychologist.

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 16:26

Did you tag me @ScrollingLeaves ? A notification came up and I've no idea where from

Lindylou57 · 09/07/2024 16:28

So the onslaught of women's safe places will just get worse with this government, we don't want our granddaughters/daughters having to get changed with men, some girls are shy, vulnerable and will be totally intimidated.What about our rights when is this government going to stand up for us ?

ArabellaScott · 09/07/2024 16:38

ScrollingLeaves · 09/07/2024 16:23

That post was withheld for MN to look at, at the point of clicking ‘post’, so I think AI must have spotted a certain word that is not welcomed. I cannot think of another reason. If so, it was just part of a quote from an article by a psychologist.

Possibly the shortened link triggered auto hide.

ScrollingLeaves · 09/07/2024 16:49

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 16:26

Did you tag me @ScrollingLeaves ? A notification came up and I've no idea where from

Yes, I was thanking you for that link to that psychologist’s brilliant article you posted earlier today, saying I
wished MPs could see it, and quoting some chunks I thought stood out. I also relinked the article.

But as soon as I pressed ‘post’ it was hidden by MN to look at.

ScrollingLeaves · 09/07/2024 16:50

It is OK, MN has allowed it back.

Imnobody4 · 09/07/2024 16:57

Ok - I had gathered from various sources the appointment of BP was just a technical fix. She doesn't seem to think so! How do we get this clarified? Who is the Senior Minister?
https://twitter.com/bphillipsonMP/status/1810370339379228728?t=nHu84nRpD7ErLW3SfIqpcA&s=19

Honoured to be appointed as Minister for Women & Equalities.

Having managed a women’s refuge before entering Parliament, I know how important the portfolio is.

The brief is vital to Labour’s mission to break down the barriers to opportunity.

I can’t wait to get started.

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https://twitter.com/bphillipsonMP/status/1810370339379228728?s=19&t=nHu84nRpD7ErLW3SfIqpcA

UpThePankhurst · 09/07/2024 17:13

Imnobody4 · 09/07/2024 13:11

This is strange , I'm beginning to believe no one knows what they actually think. They'll say anything. Sent just before election day.
https://twitter.com/EmSilverwood91/status/1810281014503034998?t=DMjv_Q7yWq1daqhANB1wzw&s=19

For anyone interested this is what
@AnnelieseDodds
responded after asked by a constituent if she’d protect single-sex spaces @MForstater

There's going to be an awful lot of receipts around if they then decide to start backtracking.

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 17:28

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 09/07/2024 20:10

New ground eh? 🤨 would that new ground involve handing over women & girls spaces to any man who claims lady feelings by any chance?

I also note Lisa nandy telling the civil servants at DCMS that the “culture wars are over”. I assume because she’s just going to give TRA everything they want in terms of media, culture & sport

Dodds- Minister for Women.