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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dodds- Minister for Women.

226 replies

FondOfOwls · 08/07/2024 11:13

https://x.com/10DowningStreet/status/1810245536869458298

So Anneliese Dodds is officially Minister for Women and Equalities.
Are we completely fcked now?

x.com

https://x.com/10DowningStreet/status/1810245536869458298

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/07/2024 18:26

lonelywater · 08/07/2024 18:14

so you're ok with Mridul still in post then?

Tbf there’s very little government can do about MW. It’s up to the charity trustees to sack him. Can’t have government telling charities to sack trustees. Scottish equivalent of charity commission could step in but I assume they’re captured as fuck.

its played out exactly as we predicted at Edinburgh rape crisis. They deliberately recruited young inexperienced followers of the faith as trustees who are in thrall to MW & would never hold him to account

it doesn’t matter what he does or what he’s done, they won’t fire him. He reigns supreme in his empire

FondOfOwls · 08/07/2024 18:26

CassieMaddox · 08/07/2024 18:17

Biscuit

Who's that aimed at?

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EasternStandard · 08/07/2024 18:27

Meant to say thanks to @Arcadia for the email post

clarity for service providers for when trans people should be included and when excluding them is proportionate and legitimate

It’ll be interesting to see how they square proportionate and legitimate wrt female toilets, which Starmer claimed would be single sex or just refuges and other vulnerable spaces

He seems to not want to go back on what he says so it’s good the media pressure resulted in that reponse. Thanks to Jane really and JKR

Arcadia · 08/07/2024 18:31

Probably the best thing that could happen is that they (KS, AD etc.) now become under fire and receive abuse from TRAs for their very flimsy assurances to us GC people, and then they really begin to see that these are not all kind, friendly and vulnerable people.

ArabellaScott · 08/07/2024 18:41

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/07/2024 18:26

Tbf there’s very little government can do about MW. It’s up to the charity trustees to sack him. Can’t have government telling charities to sack trustees. Scottish equivalent of charity commission could step in but I assume they’re captured as fuck.

its played out exactly as we predicted at Edinburgh rape crisis. They deliberately recruited young inexperienced followers of the faith as trustees who are in thrall to MW & would never hold him to account

it doesn’t matter what he does or what he’s done, they won’t fire him. He reigns supreme in his empire

So when Dodds says she'll protect single sex spaces she's talking mince?

ScrollingLeaves · 08/07/2024 18:49

illinivich · 08/07/2024 15:50

Both women made themselves look foolish before the election on this issue.

I'm still none the wiser how they will allow men with gender to use public toilets, and ensure that girls will still be able to use the same space safely. I'm not convinced either of them have thought this through, and who will be responsible if something dreadful happens.

But to be fair on Starmer, has he anyone in the cabinet who has the ability to think this through?

I'm still none the wiser how they will allow men with gender to use public toilets, and ensure that girls will still be able to use the same space safely.

But the ‘men with gender’ will have gone through a process [of getting an easier to get GRC] (Bridget Phillipson said). Once processed they will be fine.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/07/2024 18:49

ArabellaScott · 08/07/2024 18:41

So when Dodds says she'll protect single sex spaces she's talking mince?

I think “talking mince” is the technical term yes!!

Underthinker · 08/07/2024 18:55

ArabellaScott · 08/07/2024 18:41

So when Dodds says she'll protect single sex spaces she's talking mince?

By "protect single sex spaces", I think she just means she won't remove the already inadequate provisions in the EA to allow some theoretically female only spaces.

Kind of a "let them eat cake" stance, but this time with urinal cake.

EasternStandard · 08/07/2024 19:01

How do people think Starmer’s response to JKR will square with what seems to be only firming up places like refuges?

How can clarifying the EqA equate to what Starmer stated?

Any clues there

duc748 · 08/07/2024 19:02

Tbf there’s very little government can do about MW

Oh, I dunno, They could take a leaf out ScotGov's book: make funding for quangos, charities, etc contingent on applying certain ground-rules...

Waxingmoons · 08/07/2024 19:08

I’m confused. It’s not AD.
www.gov.uk/government/ministers/minister-for-women-and-equalities--3

JanesLittleGirl · 08/07/2024 19:21

Waxingmoons · 08/07/2024 19:08

It's both of them:

www.gov.uk/government/people/anneliese-dodds

lonelywater · 08/07/2024 19:35

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/07/2024 18:26

Tbf there’s very little government can do about MW. It’s up to the charity trustees to sack him. Can’t have government telling charities to sack trustees. Scottish equivalent of charity commission could step in but I assume they’re captured as fuck.

its played out exactly as we predicted at Edinburgh rape crisis. They deliberately recruited young inexperienced followers of the faith as trustees who are in thrall to MW & would never hold him to account

it doesn’t matter what he does or what he’s done, they won’t fire him. He reigns supreme in his empire

yes, I get that firing the bloke in the dress is not in the gift of the Scots gov. It was a simple question to Cassie as to how comfortable she is with said bloke running the place?

BonfireLady · 08/07/2024 19:41

Ha! Published in 2019.
Sadly too early for him to include an ironic cameo character who declares his pronouns before introducing a penis-pianist live on Channel 4 🤦‍♀️

illinivich · 08/07/2024 19:42

The Conservatives voted against the Equality Act in 2010.

Does Dobbs think the EqA introduced the concept of single sex spaces?

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 08/07/2024 19:43

There is little the government can do. Analogously, when Balls sacked Sharon Shoesmith on live TV, it ended very badly. Predictable. He had no power to sack her of course. And of course the knee jerk response was to blame social workers in isolation - heaven forfend we look too closely at the police or GOSH.

CassieMaddox · 08/07/2024 19:48

FondOfOwls · 08/07/2024 18:26

Who's that aimed at?

The person saying I was OK with MW being in post as a response to my point about Badenoch doing nothing helpful for a year but Labour being expected to sort it in 3 days Confused
I completely agree with what eyeball said.

unsociablemedia · 08/07/2024 19:50

I see the genderists have found this thread ...

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1dydkyn/so_the_people_on_mums_net_are_having_melt_downs

Boiledbeetle · 08/07/2024 19:55

So let me get this right... expecting better faster more proactive governing from the Conservative government is OK but suddenly when we expect the same from Labour we should what? Give them a break? Let them ease gently into it? Wait a year?

No! Those who wanted a Labour government have been whinging for ages about the fact that the Conservative government were too slow to do anything and that Labour would do things differently. So come on Labour do things faster and better. I don't care if its only been three days, they've had 14 years to prepare, so they've got no bloody excuse to drag their feet.

lonelywater · 08/07/2024 19:57

CassieMaddox · 08/07/2024 19:48

The person saying I was OK with MW being in post as a response to my point about Badenoch doing nothing helpful for a year but Labour being expected to sort it in 3 days Confused
I completely agree with what eyeball said.

I guess that was me then. Fancy answering the question, which, again was asking if you were/are ok with bloke in dress still in post?

lonelywater · 08/07/2024 19:58

lonelywater · 08/07/2024 19:57

I guess that was me then. Fancy answering the question, which, again was asking if you were/are ok with bloke in dress still in post?

to clarify-i did not say you were ok with bloke in dress-if I thought that I would hardly need to ask the question, would I?

AstonScrapeNameChangeAgain · 08/07/2024 20:00

unsociablemedia · 08/07/2024 19:50

Can anyone find a link for the "examples of things that never happen happening" thread? I can't find it, and one of the Reddit posters says "Has there ever been a documented case of a trans woman infiltrating women’s spaces for nefarious purposes?" - and is apparently following this thread.

duc748 · 08/07/2024 20:03

Is it even worth responding to these loons? Whatever you say, they'll throw it back in your face. Not worth the bandwidth, IMO.

radiatorbed · 08/07/2024 20:06

unsociablemedia · 08/07/2024 19:50

God what a revolting bunch they are. Yeuch.

Boiledbeetle · 08/07/2024 20:06

AstonScrapeNameChangeAgain · 08/07/2024 20:00

Can anyone find a link for the "examples of things that never happen happening" thread? I can't find it, and one of the Reddit posters says "Has there ever been a documented case of a trans woman infiltrating women’s spaces for nefarious purposes?" - and is apparently following this thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

It will never happen - resource thread. | Mumsnet

I'm hoping Rowantrees will be a contributor on here! This is basically a thread to keep together stories of all the things that we have been told will...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread