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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dodds- Minister for Women.

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FondOfOwls · 08/07/2024 11:13

https://x.com/10DowningStreet/status/1810245536869458298

So Anneliese Dodds is officially Minister for Women and Equalities.
Are we completely fcked now?

x.com

https://x.com/10DowningStreet/status/1810245536869458298

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SmudgeHughes · 09/07/2024 07:29

ArtfullyCrumpled · 08/07/2024 23:21

I live in hope that she is a stooge on the way out. She was flying high in the Shadow Cabinet and has now been sidelined to a job-share in DofEd. It's possible that the plan is for her to continue spouting out the written answers "depends what the context is" etc and if we hold on a bit longer the masses will peak and then we can sack her. All those new women Labour MP's will surely be a catalyst for change.

Bridget Phillipson, who I believe is her boss, is in charge of schools, and she’s as captured by gender identity ideology. All these new Labour women are as bad as each other, sadly, and no better than the menfolk on gender issues. The only one that we’re hearing about who has the guts to stand up and question is an MP in Wales (whose name I don’t have to hand). And Rosie Duffield, of course, who was returned with a good majority.

Equally worrying is the re-emergence of the Fawcett Society as a lobby group with influence in this govt, aligned as it is with Harriet Harman (who also ‘can’t see what the problem is’ with the Equality Act as it stands).

Starmer’s advisors seem to think that they can farm out the problem of gender to Fawcett, which says it’s been commissioned to pull together the parties in parliament on women’s issues. As the women MPs who are active on gender say, they already work across parties and don’t need an outside NGO to do it. And certainly not one that won’t stand up for women on gender.

RedToothBrush · 09/07/2024 07:59

Well Suella probably just scored an own goal by being completely and utterly right.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Subject not going away.

Helleofabore · 09/07/2024 08:21

I do think it is really important that we keep remembering that we are so far beyond where we were even four years ago. As others have said nodebate has been blown to smithereens. While it seems that many of those now appointed would like to not have to discuss how there is a conflict in rights, they simply cannot now just block people or turn off replies as they might have or just ignore others. They have to listen.

If at every interview, at every speaking opportunity, they are challenged on the very definition of woman and what the EA does cover, they will realise they have to address this. Otherwise, they cannot get their job done and progress.

We really need to remember this was always a long game. And we really are further forward than we were even 1 year ago.

UpThePankhurst · 09/07/2024 08:39

Helleofabore · 09/07/2024 08:21

I do think it is really important that we keep remembering that we are so far beyond where we were even four years ago. As others have said nodebate has been blown to smithereens. While it seems that many of those now appointed would like to not have to discuss how there is a conflict in rights, they simply cannot now just block people or turn off replies as they might have or just ignore others. They have to listen.

If at every interview, at every speaking opportunity, they are challenged on the very definition of woman and what the EA does cover, they will realise they have to address this. Otherwise, they cannot get their job done and progress.

We really need to remember this was always a long game. And we really are further forward than we were even 1 year ago.

This.

Attempts to stuff the genie back in the bottle are long gone. And we're always only minutes away from the next Isla Bryson type disaster hitting the press and waking the general public up even further, because those disasters will keep on coming. It's absolutely inevitable.

It's perfectly possible at this point to find answers that would work equally for all - which the genderist lobby will hate, because apparently without women being gleefully trampled what's the point and asking for reciprocation is 'literal genocide' or some kind of similar nonsense - but not to just try to go back to removing women's rights to give them to men.

Nor, if Labour plan to just try to on the surface do nothing, not talk about it, deny everything, and just quietly let the fudge go on working in men's favour underneath it all like grotty sewage under the road, will that work. The court cases also keep on coming.

illinivich · 09/07/2024 08:44

I do think it is really important that we keep remembering that we are so far beyond where we were even four years ago.

We'd be in an even better position if we could steer the debate away from EqA and adult rights, and towards safeguarding.

The childrens act and education act exist, but everyone is obsessed with EqA. It shouldnt be a debate about which men get to be in which opposite sex spaces, it should be politicians explaining why safeguarding can be ignored in certain situations.

Helleofabore · 09/07/2024 08:46

Would we even be this far along if we had had a Labour government four years ago? I doubt it. I think having a government in place, for all their other concerning issues, allowed for this debate to happen. That and the court cases.

If you have a PM who actively follows a ‘you cannot say that’ policy, who deliberately and actively repeatedly uses obfuscating language, you have a PM who doesn’t come across as supporting freedom of speech. Particularly as they are a human rights barrister.

illinivich · 09/07/2024 09:00

It's perfectly possible at this point to find answers that would work equally for all

We really can't. We can't have a situation where some men can be treated as women by the public in certain situations and avoid andrew miller type crimes.

How can we explain to a 7 year old that some men should be treated as women sometimes, but not really because they still commit sexual crimes at the same rate as men?

The education minister believes the 'process' removes or reduces the risk. We need to get these politicians to explain this, and show us the evidence. We need them to focus on safeguarding not equality.

WickedSerious · 09/07/2024 09:19

Maddy70 · 08/07/2024 16:51

x.com/Wommando/status/1810252632008577248?t=GCytsZeFmKV7niYvvukd3Q&s=19

She also says she is going to protect women's spaces

I think she is a great appointment actually well balanced

Well you would,wouldn't you?

FondOfOwls · 09/07/2024 09:38

Yes I am sure she will protect women's spaces.
Depending on the definition of 'woman' of course 🙄

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2024 09:39

Hepwo · 08/07/2024 20:26

This one!

"It's painful to read so many British cis women hating on trans women. I know it's transphobia in feminist clothing but, even if they see trans women as men I still don't understand the hate. When I was a guy I wouldn't have dreamed of having a problem with trans men, even if I had been close-minded enough to see them as women. Maybe it's male privilege or something (on my part) that could never imagine trans men as a 'threat to the rights of men and boys', idk. Surely at least, if you exist on the oppressed side of the patriarchy and you didn't see trans women as women, wouldn't you want some of the 'oppressors' on your team?"

And we know you couldn't care less what impact women who think they are trans have, because women don't really register with you at all do they? It's just something you play act at.

No we don't want oppressors on our team! You are still a guy mate!

LOL, the glimmerings of self awareness.

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 09:40

Helleofabore · 09/07/2024 08:21

I do think it is really important that we keep remembering that we are so far beyond where we were even four years ago. As others have said nodebate has been blown to smithereens. While it seems that many of those now appointed would like to not have to discuss how there is a conflict in rights, they simply cannot now just block people or turn off replies as they might have or just ignore others. They have to listen.

If at every interview, at every speaking opportunity, they are challenged on the very definition of woman and what the EA does cover, they will realise they have to address this. Otherwise, they cannot get their job done and progress.

We really need to remember this was always a long game. And we really are further forward than we were even 1 year ago.

Yes definitely, heard snippets of Nick Robinson asking The Question again on today this morning (couldn't hear it all).

We keep writing to our MPs

Especially about schools, and especially if your mp is in that role now. (Mine is!)

Ramblingnamechanger · 09/07/2024 09:44

I would really like the LP to be working out how to make disabled people’s lives better by not going through humiliating long winded processes. Doesn’t seem they are bothered by that though.

readingmakesmehappy · 09/07/2024 09:47

We need to get ready to march. I do not trust this government at all on women's rights and women's spaces. I think they will let the Stonewall groupthink back into the civil service, NHs and schools where the previous government had begun to root it out (too late and not vigorously enough IMO, but at least they'd woken up to it).

If they do not listen, we must take to the streets.

SmudgeHughes · 09/07/2024 09:58

WarriorN · 08/07/2024 22:03

Also, more female MPs, more likelihood that they'll care about single sex spaces....

I’m sorry but this is simply untrue. 99.9% of female Labour MPs have been either complicit with gender ideology or have tried to keep out of it.

UpThePankhurst · 09/07/2024 10:01

The experience of women within Labour trying to stand up for women's rights unfortunately has made it very clear that female Labour MPs would not reach the cabinet without being very good little handmaidens.

Labour is petrified of actual diversity.

SmudgeHughes · 09/07/2024 10:07

illinivich · 09/07/2024 09:00

It's perfectly possible at this point to find answers that would work equally for all

We really can't. We can't have a situation where some men can be treated as women by the public in certain situations and avoid andrew miller type crimes.

How can we explain to a 7 year old that some men should be treated as women sometimes, but not really because they still commit sexual crimes at the same rate as men?

The education minister believes the 'process' removes or reduces the risk. We need to get these politicians to explain this, and show us the evidence. We need them to focus on safeguarding not equality.

The fact that they keep making this stuff up - eg the 'process' removes or reduces the risk - is astonishing. That’s despite the fact that it’s such a contentious issue, which keeps blowing up in their faces.

I don’t understand why The Party hasn’t prepared some sensible new briefing for them that stops them making idiots of themselves. But I particularly don’t understand why women MPs/ Ministers haven’t bothered to try to understand why thousands of loyal centre-left women have left the LP and are so angry about gender ideology.

Datun · 09/07/2024 10:08

Maybe it's male privilege or something (on my part) that could never imagine trans men as a 'threat to the rights of men and boys',

Correct because they're not. And it wouldn't even occur to them that they might be.

Just in case they're still reading...

How about if 'transmen' meant a being who was massively stronger, faster and way more aggressive than you. Who was statically overwhelming more likely to rape or murder you than the other way round. Who don't understand or care what you wanted. And who really really wanted something you had, didn't care if taking it endangered you and was infuriated and violent whenever you even hinted that it was yours.

Hardly a 'transman' is it????

Surely at least, if you exist on the oppressed side of the patriarchy and you didn't see trans women as women, wouldn't you want some of the 'oppressors' on your team?"

How is invading our privacy, excluding us from our own spaces, taking our medals, berating us when we've been raped, damaging our children and constantly threatening us 'on our team'?

Ffs. These people.

SmudgeHughes · 09/07/2024 10:11

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 09:40

Yes definitely, heard snippets of Nick Robinson asking The Question again on today this morning (couldn't hear it all).

We keep writing to our MPs

Especially about schools, and especially if your mp is in that role now. (Mine is!)

When Nick Robinson was talking to Blair on gender on R4Today this morning, Blair repeated Starmer’s line that there are genuinely people who experience painful dysphoria about their gender (not his exact words).

These people clearly haven’t quite understood the cohort who are heterosexual, usually middle-aged men who are riding on the trans bandwagon while getting sexual excitement from posing as women and transgressing women’s boundaries. That for many it’s a sexual fetish.

They still fail to understand that it’s not all about inoffensive, pink-haired, gender-norm rejecting young people.

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 10:12

@SmudgeHughes I thought that as I posted it but also many female ministers have sat on the fence. They've given no position either way. Which to me indicates recognition of our position. Labour in particular were not in a position to speak out when not in power - while this is unforgivable re Rosie et al, I can also recognise the reasons.

The debate has changed in the last year; it's now mainstream and was a key question in the election campaign.

We have Cass; despite its issues it's an independent report to rely on. WPATH's quakery is being discussed in mainstream media.

Within my non mn groups there is a lot of discussion about which MPs may be more terfy that they've previously indicated, across all parties.

Hence why writing and spelling out the key harms and issues is vital. Those women do know what a woman is.

Datun · 09/07/2024 10:13

SmudgeHughes · 09/07/2024 10:11

When Nick Robinson was talking to Blair on gender on R4Today this morning, Blair repeated Starmer’s line that there are genuinely people who experience painful dysphoria about their gender (not his exact words).

These people clearly haven’t quite understood the cohort who are heterosexual, usually middle-aged men who are riding on the trans bandwagon while getting sexual excitement from posing as women and transgressing women’s boundaries. That for many it’s a sexual fetish.

They still fail to understand that it’s not all about inoffensive, pink-haired, gender-norm rejecting young people.

Whilst that's right, it's still infuriating they think women want to be sharing their spaces with fey young men with mental health issues.

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 10:14

These people clearly haven’t quite understood the cohort who are heterosexual, usually middle-aged men who are riding on the trans bandwagon while getting sexual excitement from posing as women and transgressing women’s boundaries. That for many it’s a sexual fetish.

We keep exposing it.

The article by psych girl is excellent to illuminate this further.

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 10:15

Whilst that's right, it's still infuriating they think women want to be sharing their spaces with fey young men with mental health issues.

Exactly, it's still not a concern for women.

Third spaces.

These MPs need it spelling out in exact detail.

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 10:18

Psychgirl article - why the diagnosis of gender dysphoria is a lie.

x.com/psychgirl211/status/1808825717204922755?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

WarriorN · 09/07/2024 10:18

The thing is; the only thing we can do now for the next 5 years is lobby our MPs.

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 09/07/2024 10:20

illinivich · 09/07/2024 08:44

I do think it is really important that we keep remembering that we are so far beyond where we were even four years ago.

We'd be in an even better position if we could steer the debate away from EqA and adult rights, and towards safeguarding.

The childrens act and education act exist, but everyone is obsessed with EqA. It shouldnt be a debate about which men get to be in which opposite sex spaces, it should be politicians explaining why safeguarding can be ignored in certain situations.

THIS.

We need some safeguarding based court cases rather than 'rights' based. They should be slam dunk because the law is being broken all over the place.