Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

You say that as though it has no effect on the person you're "pulling up" though? What if they ignored you? What if they have a deep voice and say they are female but you aren't happy seen as you're the female police entitled to pull people up?

I understand myself to be a woman only because it's the name for people of my sex.

If "Woman" doesn't mean people with my sex - and if you believe trans women are women then it doesn't - then I am not a woman.

Yet not being a woman has not protected me from the sexism, constraints, unconscious bias and gendered abuse that goes with being female in our society.

Please explain why this still happens to me even though I am not a woman?

Being a woman is not 'subjective' though. Being a woman is being an adult female human based on having a body formed around producing large gametes whether that body produces those gametes or not.

Anything else is philosophical belief and no one on this earth should be required to affirm someone's philosophical belief as being reflective of material reality if it is not supported by material reality. Just sticking a label on something does not make that thing what the label describes.

Women wouldn't be on high alert in changing rooms and bathrooms and feel the need to pull up masculine looking females if this social contract of males staying out of such places weren't being broken down by them and other women due to male gender feelz. I very much doubt this happens a lot either.

But we have had the conservatives for 15 years now
So all this trans madness ..as you call it ..
Happened on the conservatives watch
How can you blame labour for the current situation,when conservatives just had 15 years in power ,to Put in place the law they felt were acceptable

If all you've got is a subversion of what I actually said, you definitely can't help me.

Good luck on making some headway with your intersectional feminism. A collection of disparate life experiences will make for a really compelling discourse. I'll stick to my actual, principles based campaigning.

Well, I've done a straw poll and I don't know anyone who identifies as a woman who is a woman (met a few men who ID as a woman, but they don't count because they are MEN). Women don't (nor do men). Which is one of the things transwomen do not get - they think everyone has a gender ID. Shock horror! Having a gender ID suggests you have a problem.

YY Grammar knowing my sex and thinking I "feel" like the opposite sex without any way of knowing are two entirely different things.

Who’s ’pulling up’ these masculine looking women? When is this happening other than that thread about the female runner you keep banging about.

Still avoiding the question I see.

You're only proving my point that you're more likely to have your privacy invaded by a GC woman demanding to ask you questions about your genitals than a man or a trans woman.

You guys advocate it all the time!

They have every right to practice as midwives, but what they do not have the right to do is provide care to a woman who asks to be cared for by a woman for whatever reason.

Yawn. I am a woman and I cannot identify out of all the messy reality of being one. Transwomen are men, they know nothing about being women, being men, so whatever you get from their perspective is a male perspective. And they are not trailblazers, they are enforcing sex stereotypes on people, when we thought we had got rid of those so that if Rosie wanted to be a riveter, that was fine, and if Robert wanted to be a florist that was fine. Now, gender ideology says if Rosie wants to be a riveter she's 'really' a man and Robert, with his interest in flowers, must 'really' be a woman. I hope Capability Brown (famous gardener, knew about flowers) is not turning in his grave.

Most women, even those with shock horror, short hair who present in an androgynous way, aren't going to leave most people in any doubt as to their sex. Whereas most males are obviously male even when presenting themselves in a way they consider "feminine". Photos can fool because they are edited, IRL it's usually pretty obvious what sex people are.

Tell that to GC posters who say these women wouldn't get accosted if they dressed "more like woman" or "wore some make up"

To answer the OP’s question, most women are not that bothered or threatened by trans rights. I really think it is only made into a big deal on this forum. I see Joanna Cherry lost her seat - so most women did not choose who to vote for based on this issue, despite the relentless hectoring threads on here. I am happy to coexist with trans people, as is everyone I know, if asked. On a day to day level it has zero impact on most people’s lives.

Right so in your opinion women who pull up masculine looking women, which never happens, are more of a problem than males entering women’s spaces and sports. How fucked up.

The first wouldn’t be happening without the second.

The answer to that would be men of all identity choices respecting women, their spaces, their diversity and their needs in the same way that they themselves would like to be respected, and not invading them.

Then women wouldn't need to worry about whether the person in front of them might possibly be a man intentionally setting out to deceive them in a way that harms their privacy, dignity and consent to be in that space or use that service. Men created this problem and the remedy needs to come from them.

Otherwise essentially you are asking women to abandon their own needs and access for fear of possibly wrongly upsetting another woman. And if she's a woman with a grip on diversity and equality then she'll probably understand the anxiety of the woman in front of her and not mind.

They are bothered when they are asked about it, they just have other priorities when voting.

Stop minimising the harassment of women just because your side do it

So, now we are 'radicalised' and in 'echo chambers'. Gosh.... from someone posting a screenshot of a post supposedly of mine that I cannot find at all in advanced search, who will not post a link to where they got it from.

Can you tell us though, how many male people 'invading' (your word) our sports should be considered as acceptable? Please quantify your own stance with a number of acceptable male people to be participating in female sports categories?

Would you like us to start listing the number of male people who have taken podium places, prizes and records?

Oh... wait.... here you go

https://www.shewon.org/

"You insist you should have the right to challenge anyone you suspect isn't female (regardless of your track record) and I'm asking you how you want someone to satisfy your curiosity?"

Not sure how to make this any more clearer.

If we had the confidence in the sporting bodies to protect female sports so that female athletes are less likely to be asked if they are in the correct event, very few of these female athletes would be asked? And if a female athlete has to 'satisfy' the sporting bodies 'curiosity' then a cheek swab has proven to be sufficient in the past.

And what 'track record' are you even talking about?

Why are gender ideologists so obsessed with genitals? They keep bringing them into the conversations like this.

Trans rights - I’m not interested in trans rights I’m interested in maintaining women’s rights which won’t be ok if women is defined as no longer meaning “adult human female” and instead is defined as “adult human female and men with special lady feelings”

No I'm simply suggesting women don't take it upon themselves to "pull up" someone who isn't bothering or interacting with them in any way and is simply trying to take a piss because you suspect they aren't a woman.

Joanna Cherry is SNP. She lost because she is SNP and people are sick and tired of the SNP.