KJK supports Trump

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After the Trump verdict today, KJK retweeted three supportive tweets to her timeline, including one from US ex-Fox host Megyn Kelly that says "Guilty on all counts. The country is disgraced. Alvin Bragg should be disbarred. They will rue the day they released this lawfare to corrupt a presidential election."

Another tweet makes fun of President Biden's stutter.

This is someone currently up for election herself. Given her recent remarks about barring rentals to all trans people, and the fact she has received funding from US conservative political groups, does this concern you?

If those things don't interest you, maybe don't bother reading the thread?

Who are you talking to and who are you to police the thread?

When left-wing feminists have asked her to discourage/put a statement about the far right showing up in eg Brighton a couple of years ago, she refused on that basis.

Have you got a link for this please?

No, and if you read back I never used them in that context

She doesn't invite people to show up.

Her events are public. She has said she can't stop anyone showing up.

She gives her a microphone to any woman who's been affected by gender ideology.

She doesn't stop women speaking because she disagrees with their political viewpoints.

This is what I mean.

I was trying to join the discussion but because I'm not toeing the popular line apparently I shouldn't be on the thread? How this usually works if you don't agree with someone, is you present an opposing view, not tell them to go away.

I haven't seen any direct Trump support outwith some retweeting(seen receipts asked for, might have missed the replies for which I apologise if so).

I watched the video clip. She said 'in her experience' trans people bring their politics to work too much. It didn't say 'all trans people'.

The comments about not paying rent were weird and offputting though, I don't know what she was hoping to achieve there.

I've been following several threads about her and it's remarkable how much exaggerating there is about what she said, and how long its taken to get to the bottom of what was actually said, hope obstructive some posters are being when asked direct questions.

Which is what I don't like because it comes across as deliberate shit stirring rather than a genuine honest discussion.

Criticise someone for what they actually said, sure (and link to ask original source so we can all see it), not what you think they might have meant.

She also said anyone could be a candidate for PoW as long as they agreed with her 4 things. Which seems like a recipe for disaster, unless you are happy for a load of Tommy Robinson fans to potentially represent your party.

There were several threads on MN about the SFW event in Brighton a couple of years ago. Have a look on there for the discussions about some left-wing feminists asking her to disassociate from the right-wing actors who showed up and she refused because everyone is welcome.

Never said that she invited them, but she didn't for example, say that she didn't want Hearts of Oak to broadcast her event or express any reservations about their politics.

Again, entirely up to her what she wants to do to get her message across and entirely up to others to comment on it.

And if you're only interested in posts with links then feel free to scroll past mine.

Transphobic comments? I don't recall the OP mentioning this in their post. They seemed to say several times they started the thread with no judgement of KJK but rather an interest in sociology, feminism and politics.

Thanks, I will have a search back for those threads.

I'm not 'only interested' in posts with links, but I'm frustrated by repeated assertions that a thing happens - with no proof of the thing ever being provided (not saying that was you, but theres been a lot of this on the KJK threads.

If the proof is there why not post it? Otherwise I and many others tend to assume bs.

And I'm not 'keen to censor' - far from it.

I'm keen to read real examples of things that have actually happened, not hearsay.

I'm sick of the polarising and exaggeration. I don't think it helps anyone.

Divide and conquer?

OP mentioned KJK's recent comments about not renting your property to people who identify as trans. That is transphobic.

I can't summon up the energy to trawl back through threads tbh, Aston, but I recognise some of the names of this thread as being around at the time so I'm sure others remember.

Apologies that that's exclusionary to people newer to these discussions. When I'm on my laptop tomorrow, I'll have a look and post a link.

Unfortunately threads get deleted if that sort of stuff gets put up.

The best thing to do is read her twitter (especially her replies) and watch her non-LWS YouTube. Draw your own conclusions based on what comes out of her mouth.

I agree about polarisation fwiw. But in my opinion she's part of the cause, not the symptoms.

A group called heart of Oak apparently showed up and filmed the proceedings.

People like Adam/Cassie said it was proof that KJK associates with the far right.

They were nothing to do with KJK, and she couldn't care less who films her.

If you use advance search and put KJK or Posie Parker as a title, you should get threads exactly as you describe.

And yes I'm still waiting for the tweets where she says she's pro Trump.

Ah I see - much like the 'nazis' that apparently attended LWS in Melbourne?

It's literally a free speech event. Anyone can turn up.

Free speech doesn't mean 'only for people like us'.

Erm excuse me? I certainly did not - might have raised it much later but I only started looking into KJK's right wing links as a result of a pile on, on the "Insane Rants" thread.

It is a bad habit of mine to follow others instructions to "educate myself" and that's what I did when someone said that KJK was constantly being unfairly represented.

Very similar to how I ended up GC actually which is ironic.

I do remember her posting here when I started posting and she said some fairly unpleasant stuff then too so I've never been a fan of her personally.

Exactly. Apparently she was a neo Nazi, because the neo Nazis showed up.

Even their National broadcasters said it.

Apart from anything else, you have to wonder exactly how gullible people are.

In the end, even the Nazis said they didn't know who the fuck she was!

I'm pretty sure I remember you saying she gave you a bit of a tongue lashing.

I certainly did not - might have raised it much later

The aspect that's missed out of that account is feminists asking her to make some sort of statement distancing herself/disagreeing with the far right politics of Heart of Oak and she refused on the basis that everyone is welcome at SFW events.

A search for Posie Parker and 'the devil himself' might lead you to these discussions. That''s who she said she'd work with to get her message out btw.

Again, her choice and her right to do so, but this was/is troubling to feminists who would have liked to maintain some clear blue sky between gender critical beliefs and the far right.

I agree with the advice to read her Twitter account and watch her videos. She does a live event on Tuesdays, I think.

It is.

There are quite a few people who believe that the whole point of right wing politics is selfishness. They basically see it as Ayn Rand's weird philosophy, and actually believe anyone who ever votes on the right is knowingly making a selfish choice to feather their own nest.

They basically have whole hog accepted the most low level-left wing stereotypes and simplifications of the right, and don't know much or anything really of actual right wing politics or conservative thinkers.

There is a thread in AIBU right now that is really interesting, because it reveals that there are a lot of those people who have never actually talked to a right-wing or conservative person about policy or their beliefs in a serious way.

Correct. People kept demanding that she account for other people at her gatherings. She wasn't going to start down that road, obviously. And she has said she'll speak to anyone if it means it raises the profile of the issues.

People pointed out that Julie Bindle regularly writes for right wing papers. And Helen Joyce is right wing voter. She says it makes sense economically. But they don't get the same kind of stick.

A man in Norway or Sweden stood in front of her and took a selfie. Turned out he wasn't an approved person by the left, either, and she was meant to account for that too!

Trump doesn't have policies that deny women abortions, he's been pretty clear that he doesn't think the federal level has any jurisdiction over abortion rights.

I expect that's largely a strategic decision, but it's also logically consistent and I even suspect reflective of the fact that he doesn't have very strong views on abortion one way or another.

I don't think she cares about convincing American left women any more than she cares about convincing American right-wing women.

The fact is that the former almost certainly won't listen to anyone on this topic, and even if they have impeccable leftist credentials they will be branded right wing; whereas right wing women might well elect representatives that will pass laws about this stuff.

There is this very funny idea that some posters have that the goal of people like KJK is to convince the left, as if that's most important. It's not - it's to convince the bulk of people in the middle, and that's only so they can concretely do things to stop children being drawn into this shit.

Julie Bindel does write for right-wing newspapers and is very clear that this is a compromise as she doesn't support their politics, but the left wing press generally won't publish gender critical content (that has shifted a little in recent months though).

Helen Joyce has explicitly said her politics are right-wing, primarily economically, I think.

KJK isn't clear and refuses invitation to be clear as to whether she supports the politics of the far right who show up to her meetings, buy her merch, broadcast her events on their channels or ask for as selfie.

There's a difference.