KJK supports Trump

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After the Trump verdict today, KJK retweeted three supportive tweets to her timeline, including one from US ex-Fox host Megyn Kelly that says "Guilty on all counts. The country is disgraced. Alvin Bragg should be disbarred. They will rue the day they released this lawfare to corrupt a presidential election."

Another tweet makes fun of President Biden's stutter.

This is someone currently up for election herself. Given her recent remarks about barring rentals to all trans people, and the fact she has received funding from US conservative political groups, does this concern you?

Why ‘deluded’? Maybe they know what she stands for

What do you think the party of women is all about?

It’s just a name, does it have to mean it’s for all things affecting women anyway?

Yes, I agree she will need lots more votes and candidates. The website is very scant and definitely needs more work, but they only had a month to do their whole campaign.

However she is off to a very good start for such a brand new Party:

Esther Knight was just one vote behind the Lib Dem’s Aidan Turner.

Sallie James had 42 votes, placing ahead of the Conservatives (31) and Lib Dems (35).

Charlotte Hawkins received 161 votes, putting her in third place well ahead of the Lib Dem’s Peter Nixon (113)

KJK tweeted “We had four weeks and little budget for our campaigns, getting numbers close to Lib Dems and greens is a staggering achievement.”

This is the beginning of what I think will be a sea change and our concerns won’t be so easily dismissed as fringe.

Why do you think a man using wrong sex pronouns for his teenage daughter is 'transitioning' her? Teenage girls are the children most likely to be caught up in the trans social contagion.

There are many parents on here whose children identify as trans who have written on here about how difficult it is. I wouldn't make any assumptions about what was going on in that family. The child is quite likely to be autistic or have poor mental health which makes it even harder for the parents.

Actively transitioning children or encouraging them to believe that they can change sex is abusive. This is nothing to do with parents dealing with the difficult situation of vulnerable children who have been persuaded by others outside the family that they can change sex.

Noone thinks you can "change sex". People talk about gender, not sex when they talk about trans issues.

I don't believe in an internal gender. I believe humans are sex + social stereotypes around sex, referred to as gender. I am a gender abolitionist.

Other people do appear to have an internal gender. Other people also believe in God. Its not up to me to tell them they are wrong.

When KJK says "there is no such thing as non binary" she's stating her ideological position, not a fact. Because there are plenty of NB people out there. So reality is there is such a thing as non binary.

Thanks for making that clear. I appreciate your straightforward answer.
I don't object to people questioning anyone about their policies or views, but I like the questioner to be upfront about their own views, and I stay alert to weasel words.

I gave a real life example upthread.
A parent deciding to pick their battles and use their childs preferred name, pronouns and mode of dress is not abusive.

And there is no way to easily differentiate that parent from one who has actively "transitioned" their child because "they want to be special".

I don't believe in an internal gender. I believe humans are sex + social stereotypes around sex, referred to as gender. I am a gender abolitionist.

Other people do appear to have an internal gender.

So you believe that other people appear to have an internal gender even though you don't believe in an internal gender?

You believe that some people appear to possess something that you don't believe exists? Surely this means that you believe in the possibility that there may be a thing called an internal gender, not that you don't believe in it.

Or do you mean that some people claim to have an internal gender, even though you don't believe such a thing exists?

What is "actively transitioning"? Do you mean medical transition but social transition is OK?

Why do you think a man using wrong sex pronouns for his teenage daughter is 'transitioning' her?

I don't necessarily PPs have indicated they do & therefore would consider it abuse. Hence my comment that using 'transitioning' rather than 'promoting' is too vague

kjk continues to lie with her slogans “I never lose” and “I always win”. These are stupid slogans, reminiscent of a despot, and we all know they’re not true. They’re weasel words and she’s not a straight talker. She’s full of bs

When KJK says "there is no such thing as non binary" she's stating her ideological position, not a fact. Because there are plenty of NB people out there. So reality is there is such a thing as non binary.

That’s a logical fallacy.

If someone says “I was abducted by aliens and I identify as an alien abductee”. Then lots of other people come out of the woodwork saying “I am also an alien abductee”, it doesn’t make it true that ‘there is such a thing as alien abductees, because lots of people identify as alien abductees’, if no one in reality has actually been abducted by aliens.

Words mean something. What is actually true matters.

Why have you assumed that KJK's comment about transitioning being abusive is aimed at parents?

Is a teacher abusive if they transition a child in school without telling the parents?

Is it abusive to block a child's puberty for gender reasons?

Is it abusive to encourage a child to believe that they can change sex?

Not really.
It's more like lots of people saying they are Christian because they believe in God and me saying there is no such thing as Christians because I don't.

Is it abusive for a medic to give a child cross sex hormones? Is it abusive to mutilate a child’s sex organs?

The results are a staggering achievement if you don't look too closely. Esther Knight came last. Sally James beat the Tories & Lib Dems, but so did the independent who finished above her & the Lib Dems failed in pretty much every Wolverhampton seat they ran in.

If her candidates become elected officials then they will speak for their constituents in a real politics way be exercising the political power of their office.

The only person het up here is you over my opinion that we don’t need KJK’s party or her candidates to speak for us.

If her candidates win then that would be because sufficient voters decided they wanted them to speak for them and then they would have legitimate authority to “exercise political power of their office”. Who are you to deny voters that choice?

The whole point I initially made is the comment is a blanket, non specific statement - "Transitioning children is (profound) abuse".
There is no way to know who that refers to or what circumstances, the implication is if someone is anything to do with children transitioning, they are an abuser.

It's unnecessarily ideological and judgemental of parents, and also many professionals working with children, who are often just trying to do their best in a very complex situation.

Actively transitioning is encouraging a child to believe that they can change sex. Giving them medication to stop natural development of their bodies. Teachers encouraging children to have an opposite sex identity in school and not telling the parents.

You seem very unsympathetic towards parents whose children have fallen victim to this cult.

if someone is anything to do with children transitioning, they are an abuser.

What do think ‘transitioning’ is? No one can change sex so what does transitioning do?

Exactly. 42 votes is nothing. Lots of people could get around that just by getting their friends and family to pity vote for them.

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. I think the number of votes says more than what place they are in. It is early days yet. We would have a better idea after more elections.

No, just trying to get people to use their words and be precise in what kind of transition is abusive and what isn't.

This thread isn't specifically about the Biden Twitter post, but a number of posts. It's only become so because KJK posted it; if she'd posted about Trump's issues too, then perhaps we could discuss them equally?

But you don’t care. You only care about KJK’s indiscretions, not the type of indiscretion. It shows how obsessed you are with the individual, not what she supposedly did.

Sorry, I don't understand you

Of you don’t, if you could see your own hypocrisy you wouldn’t even be posting.

Nope, I already said I don't agree with that kind of cruelty.

But you’re only inclined to start a thread on it when it’s done by someone you don’t like. Like I said, you’re a hypocrite.

Not really. There are loads of rightwing, mysogynist, homophobic, Christian fundamentalists, pro-lifers etc involved in pushing for sex protected spaces. It might be uncomfortable, but it shouldn't be allowed to become a distraction from the basic argument that men shouldn't be allowed into safe spaces for women.

You get the same with any causes, groups co-opting it for their own ends.

This sums it up for me too