Rape and Hamas and the denial of rape.

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There have been a few threads on FWR about this before. I have lurked. We knew and know this is and was happening yet apparently it's okay if it is is happening to Jewish women or Israeli women.

I have long had a horrifying suspicion that the reason why so many of the women and girl hostages have continued to be held is until they are released with the evidential products of their rapes- the babies.

I fail completely to understand how this is being brushed aside and ignored.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13447359/Hamas-terrorists-taunt-young-Israeli-women-threat-rape-footage.html

What about the rape of Palestinian women by Israeli solders. Raping women on operating tables in hospitals, dragging in their kids to watch.
Not to mention shooting babies and toddlers point blank range in the face.

I'd like to see some supporting evidence for these claims.

There was a un report on the rapes and the killing babies and toddlers is well documented, look up the shifa hospital massacres'.

As well as the burning people alive in tents, that was very recent.

That's what they tell these boys, God commands you to do it.
Sick.

Yes, death by fire is horrific. No denying that. Imagine the kind of person that could stand over you and set fire to you after they had tied you up.
The kind of person that could set fire to your house to flush you and your children out but not be concerned if you stayed inside.
The kind of person that throws a grenade into a bomb shelter full of other human beings knowing there is no escape.

None of this is OK. Innocents on both sides have died horrifically.

Not in my God's name.

The estimates of Palestinians deaths is somewhere between 45,000 and 200,000; 70% woman and children.
I think the number of Israelis dead is about 3,000? almost all soldiers.
It is now generally acknowledged that most of the deaths on 7th October were from Israeli 'friendly fire'.
A close friends uncle was killed in Kibbutz Beri, a Jewish man who was burned to death by an Israeli flame thrower.
Hamas did/does not poses flame throwers.

I think your information may be innacurate.

There were many peoples who inahbited the area that came to be known as Palestine ( including Jews, Christrians, Druze and Bedouin), but they did not consider themselves Palestinians until the PLO created 'Palestinian' as a political identity in the 1960s. Before that there they were simply Arabs living in clan based settlements - no broader identity than that.

The Palestinian cause was taken up, manipulated and exacerbated by the Western Left in the 1960s - due to the abiding obsession with 'imperialism', 'colonialism' and any party which is aligned with the U.S.

At that point western 'International Socialists' joiuned forces with the Arab Baathists - who both had a belief in a secular, socialist, pan arab identity. It didn't quite work out like that though, did it - and can anyone truly imagine a Palestinian state(run by Hamas)being democratic, socialist or secular. No - me, neither!

The PLO were inherently radical revolutionaries to the extent that they fomented chaos, carried out terrorist attacks and planned assasination attempts even in countries in which 'Palestinians' were offered citizenship. This is in large part why surrounding arab nations want little to do with Hamas and with the Gazans.

Yes, but dispossession is no new thing. My ancient ancestors were displaced by my more recent ancestors. Some of the displacement was bloody. No place is set in stone. The land now being fought over was once Canaan, it was part of the Babylonian Empire, and now neither exists except in ruins and archaeology. One has to deal with what is going on now. There is no scenario where Israel is going to disappear. Now, with the atrocities of 7th Oct in the mix, that is even more unlikely than it was before 7th Oct. And does it not occur to you that the Palestinian people are being used by Iran, for example, as a proxy to fight Israel? Not to mention nutty US neo-cons who want war in the Middle East since they believe it will trigger the rapture, Armageddon and the end of the world (not strong on scriptures, these guys!).

What happened to women believing women? That has so frequently been cited since the construction of the CITME board.

The 'evidence' is, of course, to be found very easily and has been made widely available since October 7th. It simply does not suit those with rigid anti Israel positions to acknowledge that Hamas are not really the great freedom fighters that they proclaim so loudly - and that Israel is not automatically and inherently evil and deserving of"everything it gets".

Most of those protesting israel are not seasoned poilitical activists with long held or firm ideological stances. - but fashion led, social media driven young people with desire for belonging to a trendy, morally righteous tribe. The evidenec for this is plentiful. You only have to ask them a few questions and see the blank faces.

The film Screams Before Silence is on youtube. It is eye-witness testimonies and victim's statements. Harrowing.

You're right, and I'm sorry. As I said I believe the Israeli women who say they were subject to sexual violence and have empathy for them, and hope all war crimes are looked at in their face in prosecuted appropriately.