Rape and Hamas and the denial of rape.

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There have been a few threads on FWR about this before. I have lurked. We knew and know this is and was happening yet apparently it's okay if it is is happening to Jewish women or Israeli women.

I have long had a horrifying suspicion that the reason why so many of the women and girl hostages have continued to be held is until they are released with the evidential products of their rapes- the babies.

I fail completely to understand how this is being brushed aside and ignored.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13447359/Hamas-terrorists-taunt-young-Israeli-women-threat-rape-footage.html

This is horrific. Those poor girls.

If you want to start a thread to discuss it then go for it, but accusing people of deliberately ignoring sexual violence is not the way to start a conversation.

The DM should have got an independent translator to translate.

What would an independent translator have said? I have already seen comments saying that the girls were very good actors.

You reveal yourself.

Rape is never ok. I can’t think of anyone who thinks it is ok on a site for mothers. If this were Andrew Tate’s site, then ofc, are you suggesting mumsnet is ok with rape? Is brushing it aside and ignoring rape?

These are extraordinary allegations, have you complained to mumsnet about this and sent them screenshots?

But many people have chosen to ignore the raping of Israeli women.

If commentators even mention it at all, it’s usually just inferred in some mealy-mouthed condemnation of the overall Hamas attack. You almost never hear the word rape. And it’s almost always swiftly followed by a “but the Israeli’s are doing XYZ.”

It is true, though. Many People have dismissd ithe rapes and sexual violence, including against children, as propoganda and lies, and continue to do so.

If you have not seen or read of the substantial and multiple forms of evidence by now - it suggests that you do not want to see or read of it. If so, you are part of the problem. As you must know Hamas actually filmed some of it themselves.

The images I've seen are incredibly distressing so I'll not post them here.

A bit touchy, no?

Yeah, in the big bad world that gives no shits about women being raped, this issue falls off the top 20 list of things wrong to most political commentators rn. I don’t think Israeli/Jewish women are being ignored any more than any other women getting raped in conflicts rn.

The still ongoing Boko Haram kidnappings of school girls specifically to rape and keep as bush wives doesn’t make the news either.

The still ongoing situation of Afghan families selling their preteen daughters to old men as wives because of famine and this is the only way to save their siblings from starving to death doesnt make the news either.

The still ongoing rape and disappearances of Palestinian women and girls in Gaza or military prisons by the IDF isn’t getting any attention.

I am sure there are more just can’t recall rn because yes, it doesn’t make the news very often. You usually have to search for UN reports on it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68474899

The UN have independently verified there is 'convincing information' confirming sexual violence.

You are clearly minimising what happend on October 7th for politically motivated reasons. That's probably because your view may become a bit more balanced if you accepted the truth of it....

https://www.timesofisrael.com/sheryl-sandbergs-new-film-testifies-to-hamass-brutal-sexual-violence-on-october-7/

Sexual violence is deliberately ignored all the time.
This is surely a pretty uncontroversial statement of fact on a feminist board.

To be honest I'm thoroughly disgusted that some are so keen to dismiss or minimise what happened., or else engage in whataboutery...rather than face up to the events of October 7th that precipitated the current situation in Gaza.

Excuse me? I haven’t minimised October 7th. I have “accepted the truth of it” whatever that means.

You could only imagine I am minimising if you think October 7th is worse than the other examples?

Sounds to me like you are minimising by saying the rape/forced marriage/forced birth done to other girls/women is not at all comparable the rape and captivity of Israeli women.

Please tell me, why is it not comparable?

And, I answering why it’s not got much attention, because rape never does.

Hard agree. What happened to Israeli women and girls on 7th October was an atrocity that I can't find words for and yet I frequently see people 'Yes, but...' it all over social media.
We should be able to talk about the horrifying ordeal that these women have gone through and are going through without whatsboutery or having it dismissed or ignored.
I've found the utter callousness towards them distressing.

The topic of this thread is the ongoing denials of rape and sexual violence by Hamas - not by Boko Haram or by Isis ( the yazidi women) or any other extremist terrorist organisation; although have to say I have not seen anyone denying that any of the other above atrocities happened, in the way i have,and continue to see, people engage in evasion when it comes to Hamas.

You seem keen to downplay what happened, why?

The only way this is minimising what happened on October 7th is if you are minimising the horror of sexual violence that women suffer elsewhere. To be raped during war, watch your family murdered, kept hostage, sold into sexual slavery happens in many conflicts and it is always horrific.

OP, I hope you are wrong with your suspicion but think you may well be right. William Hague amongst many others campaigned against ending rape as a weapon of war and it should never be ignored.

Except nobody is denying or minismising any of that at all......why would they?

The topic of this thread is not rape denial in general - but specifically that of the ongoing denials of what happened on October 7th.

Yes and the OP asked
I fail completely to understand how this is being brushed aside and ignored.

And my answer is because this (rape of women and girls) is always brushed aside and ignored all the time no matter where in the world this happens. Examples then were given. Which mean that the OP saying:

yet apparently it's okay if it is is happening to Jewish women or Israeli women.

Is not quite true because it is equally “apparently ok” for this to also be simultaneously happening to Afghan, Palestinian and Nigerian women and girls right this second.

Which cannot be understood without acknowledging the wider context that rape denial is endemic, it is a global issue…not just a Jewish/Israeli issue as the OP explicitly theorized.

The topic of this thread is the ongoing denials of rape and sexual violence by Hamas - not by Boko Haram or by Isis ( the yazidi women) or any other extremist terrorist organisation

They are all Islamic terrorist groups. I don’t think that common factor should be ignored. As are the Taliban.

There you go again. In plain sight.

Deal with the topic of the thread. -or start another of your own to discuss what you'd like to discuss, because right now your attitude is simply astonishing and shocking........You seem to want to minismise what happened. Why? Be honest.