Rape and Hamas and the denial of rape.

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There have been a few threads on FWR about this before. I have lurked. We knew and know this is and was happening yet apparently it's okay if it is is happening to Jewish women or Israeli women.

I have long had a horrifying suspicion that the reason why so many of the women and girl hostages have continued to be held is until they are released with the evidential products of their rapes- the babies.

I fail completely to understand how this is being brushed aside and ignored.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13447359/Hamas-terrorists-taunt-young-Israeli-women-threat-rape-footage.html

I have seen denials of the other ones. Glad to know you aren’t a denier.

We know that!

Deal withn the thread starter - or don't bother to post at all - because you are coming across very badly.

who has???
This is one of the many reasons I want Hamas eradicated and even more so their leaders living the life in 7 star hotels in other countries

Why don’t you deal with the topic of the thread? You are clearly ignoring the OP asked
I fail completely to understand how this is being brushed aside and ignored.

And I am answering her question.

Who made you thread police anyway? Who are you to decide that the denial of rape by Hamas is not a symptom of a larger global issue of the rape of women consistently being ignored?

Again, you are suggesting that pointing out that other women also suffer extreme sexual violence minimises that suffered by one group? How can you say the comparison minimises Oct 7th unless you think the other victims of Islamic terror groups were somehow less?

This thread is fucking horrifying and pretty much serves to prove the OPs point.
Highlighting and talking about what is happening to these women and asking for it not to be dismissed is not minimising the rape of anyone else.
Every single one of you complaining that we're somehow minimising other women's experiences by asking for Israeli ones not to be ignored needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.
It occurred to me to report the thread because the obvious antisemitism on here is awful, but I think it should stand. It's better that it is on display where everyone can see it and it can be countered.

I'm not going to comment further on this thread. Bloody awful. I hope those poor girls are freed and are able to come home to heal with their families, and I hope that none of their families see the pure callousness of the whatboutery on this thread.

I am dealing with the topic of the thread.

Agreeing with OP that rape is ignored and denied in conflicts and it is a universal, global problem by way of explanation that she asked for by asking “how” is not minimising.

She asked a question, I answered it.

I’ve said this myself many times.

They are either carrying babies or have been butchered.

I feel the same. No point having a discussion on the misogyny of the world that allows rape to be weaponised in war when faced with a poster that has a laser beam focus and cannot even imagine there being a bigger context to consider that explains why and how the denial of Hamas rape has and is happening.

Given how much posters on this board dismiss whataboutery generally, there's a lot of it on this thread.
Rape is an act of violence and the wider context for this situation is indeed very complex but these girls need to be freed and to be allowed to go home.

Or killed in an airstrike. These hostages are human shields. I am holding out hope for them, and cannot imagine the torture from Hamas they are enduring.

Rape is an act of violence and the wider context for this situation is indeed very complex but these girls need to be freed and to be allowed to go home.

No one is suggesting they should not be freed and allowed to go home. But what next for the discussion? What is to be learnt from considering this case in isolation from any other sexual violence in conflict by the many other Islamic terrorist groups? Hamas is not unique. Nor is the line from Hamas to the Rochdale Grooming gangs a long one. If we are to get the answer to why Oct 7th rapes are ignored then we also need to look at why the girls Rochdale were silenced, it is the same answer.

Totally agree OP. I see my daughter in the faces of those poor, poor girls. It is so beyond horrifying, there are just no words really.
I just can't fathom why this isn't on the front pages every day. Where are the feminists? Where are the celebs who are so driven by other political causes?
It just makes absolutely no sense to me.

To be fair I was going to post the opposite when posters post of famine and atrocities in Gaza they are asked what about Yemen, Congo etc so it shows it goes both ways. That it is anti Semitic to hold Israel to account when no one is posting about these other countries.

Horrendous video. Those poor women.

If we are to get the answer to why Oct 7th rapes are ignored then we also need to look at why the girls Rochdale were silenced, it is the same answer.

Really? There is clearly an element of anti-semitism at play when it comes to the denial of sexual violence in relation to the attacks of October 7th that wasn't evident (afaik) in relation to the grooming gangs.

You don’t think race was relevant in Rochdale? Both the race of the victims and the race and religious background of the perpetrators? Same in Cologne in the New Year’s Eve attacks that the Guardian ignored? Can you not see a pattern developing?

Didn’t the denials also go on for decades with the grooming (child sexual exploitation and rape) gangs?

Thank you for the thread, OP. I'm not able to watch the video, I'm sorry. I can't.

Thinking of those girls and women, and everyone suffering. What a world.

"You don’t think race was relevant in Rochdale?"

I can't imagine how you've come to that conclusion having read my post.

I specifically mentioned anti-semitism to distinguish the denial of sexual violence following the 7th October attacks from other events that you have mentioned. I don't understand why you would not want this to be discussed.

Some pretty disgusting posts here - you're 'all lives mattering' the rapes on 7/10; kidnapping and sexual assault specifically on Jewish women.

I don't see anyone downplaying, whatabouting, and outright denying the horrors carried out on women in other parts of the world as much as they do the Israeli women currently being beaten and raped.

Has anyone noticed the tens of thousands of women and children slaughtered in Gaza as revenge?

Don’t forget cheering on the perpetrators, protesting for them, saying that the victims asked for it for being citizens of a legal state that they don’t agree should exist (I mean WTAF!), saying that it is ‘resistance’ to gang rape, torture and murder women and girls etc.

I have never been so disgusted in my fellow humans, including women. since Oct 7th and I’m not Jewish.