Rape and Hamas and the denial of rape.

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There have been a few threads on FWR about this before. I have lurked. We knew and know this is and was happening yet apparently it's okay if it is is happening to Jewish women or Israeli women.

I have long had a horrifying suspicion that the reason why so many of the women and girl hostages have continued to be held is until they are released with the evidential products of their rapes- the babies.

I fail completely to understand how this is being brushed aside and ignored.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13447359/Hamas-terrorists-taunt-young-Israeli-women-threat-rape-footage.html

The denying, asking for proof, justification for these rapes is on a scale never seen before.
That simply cannot be denied.

The support for the monsters who carried this out is beyond belief, yet there is it. I have never seen so many civilians cheering when dead, raped or kidnapped women have been dragged off the streets.

I have never seen so many ordinary civilians supporting these actions, helping in the kidnapping, cheering in the streets when women are raped and children killed.

The anti-semitic response to from the rest of the world has been out of control.

The West is full of Hamas support marches. They are all over the news.

@Grammarnut no it absolutely does not.

I didn't save them just things I've seen over time. It's also nothing new, google searches will bring up stories from over the years, particularly of children being raped and sexually abused whilst in Israeli custody.

Awfully, rape has been used as a weapon of war going back thousands of years.

I know that. Thanks.

Sadly I doubt any who became pregnant will be released at any stage. It would be clear evidence and I doubt they would want hamas members babies being raised by Jewish mothers.

The denying, asking for proof, justification for these rapes is on a scale never seen before.

Good grief. Such hyperbole even though history is littered with cases of mass weaponised rape by armed combatants with far longer periods of worldwide denial. The denying and asking for proof has actually been one of the shortest ever by the fewest ever because the raping murderers live streamed it.

When rape has been used as a weapon of war in recent times, like in the Congo conflict for instance, it’s the rapists in the conflict who are doing the rape denying.

I can’t recall any other recent conflict where so-called progressives in the western world have led the denial of rape along side the rapists.

Funny you mention the Congo. It was not just the rapists who were denying it with the Congo, it was a lot of the western world- the ICC & UN. The WHO, mostly western aid workers, joined in on the raping and then denied it.

It took a decade before the first arrest warrants were issued.

But it looks like 10 months (instead of 10 years) will be all it takes to get ICC arrest warrants with the war crimes of rape and sexual slavery issued against Hamas leaders.

That’s interesting, I’d like to read examples of left wing media and progressives denying rape in Congo if you have any links, akin to what we see now.

You could read Our Bodies their Battlefield by C. Lamb who devotes an entire chapter to the Congo
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Our-Bodies-Their-Battlefields/Christina-Lamb/9781501199172

Or you can do some data mining of articles from 1997-2004.

OP I entirely agree. These comments are insane- basically saying yeah rape happens everywhere, blah blah blah.
As if there's no difference!
Obviously there are rapists sadly in all walks of life in all cultures.
But with Hamas, Boko Haram, Afghanistan and Rochdale the organisation and joint purpose is rape- it's not a shameful crime carried out by a few outliers alongside the main aim of the army. It's literally the reason these disgusting men come together.
They plan it together, encourage each other, recruit others, normalise it, justify it, FILM IT fgs, and promote it as having some greater meaning than just seedy vile men expelling hate with violence and getting their rocks off at the same time.
It's utterly revolting, and how anyone with access to the internet can support Hamas is mind boggling.
Are Palestinians asking Hamas to stop? Not heard of it if they are. The numbers of men involved and the free shouting of "we're going to do October 7th every day" etc suggests they expect the entire community to agree with them.
I think Israel are also acting appallingly, and the volumes of women and children killed is heartbreaking, so I don't support their actions either - but Hamas are intentionally raping and torturing these women and children and that has got to be more widely called out.
As for the whatabouts- there's no marching in Western society in favour of Boko Haram, or Rochdale taxi gangs, or the Taliban child marriages - so why are there for Hamas??

agreed, quite shocking.

This attack was barbaric and the immediate response of so many in the West was to rush to praise this act of "resistance" - this is callous - I've not seen victim blaming like it and I'm old enough to remember, as a young adult, the massacres of white farmers in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) and South Africa. No one celebrated that.

I'm not Jewish and I have no hesitation in saying that I believe antisemitism is the main reason for the responses we've seen. Something has been unleashed which is quite terrifying.

Solidarity to my Jewish sisters, I hope these young women, and the other hostages, are found alive and are able to find a way to heal.

But I mean specifically media organisations pretending it isn’t happening, not information about the Congo itself. As far as I can remember it’s always been talked about, same with Boko Haram etc. I can’t recall left wing media organisations ignoring it like October 7th, so I’m interested in that. It’s a bit hard to data mine articles ignoring something. TIA.

What are "IDF spoofers"?

Do you mean people pretending to be the IDF?

@BlueskysandWind a bit like the Israelis setting up videos but using the same actresses for different circumstances.

Comments like this should be left to stand for all to see.

On this thread of all threads.

Wow. How utterly disgusting. I wonder what other demographic or ethnic group they would say that of?

They may even feel that IDF or Hamas killing these women in the crossfire would be the best solution as some men have funny ideas about ‘their women’ being ‘ruined’.

This is a disgraceful thing to say.

I'm inclined to agree. "What proof is there that anyone has denied these rapes and attacks?" people ask. Well, there it is in black and white. In the past I've reported similar comments, now I wonder whether that was a mistake given the denial on here that those comments ever existed.

I'm inclined to agree. "What proof is there that anyone has denied these rapes and attacks?" people ask. Well, there it is in black and white. In the past I've reported similar comments, now I wonder whether that was a mistake given the denial on here that those comments ever existed.

Screenshot it. Also, I have archived a copy of the page with the comment in question visible.

I'm certainly not in denial to what's going on and my posts are trying to balance the view points. It's not just Hamas raping. It's not just Israel setting up propaganda videos.

The initial post was directed at Hamas only, which I don't think is fair when both parties aren't innocent in this big propaganda machine.

You just can’t hear yourself, can you?

Tell me, were the pro-Palestinian marches organized up in the immediate aftermath of Oct 7th, for ‘balance’ too? Was the ripping down of the posters of hostages for ‘balance’ too?

Most people can hold a conversation about a barbarity committed against a group of people without feeling the need for ‘balance’. Those trying to interject ‘balance’ are inevitably those whose politics have caused them to dehumanize one group of people to such a degree, any talk if their suffering needs to be refocused onto another group of people the speaker has not dehumanized.

Answer this question honestly to yourself, how many times have you been with people talking about the suffering of Palestines and you have interjected to refocus the conversation onto the suffering of Israelies on Oct 7th and its aftermath, for ‘balance.’?

There were no mentions of rape till returned girls turned up pregnant after being kidnapped by Boko Haram. Then there was some pretence it was consensual, then finally talk of forced marriage and then rape.

This is not my memory at all. I admit I can’t remember any explicit statement that the girls and young women were being raped, but I certainly don’t remember any denial, and there was a widespread understanding that everyone knew what was happening and why they were taken. I assumed the lack of explicit mention was out of respect for the girls in a culture where shame is wrongly associated with being raped.

This is nothing like Oct 7th where the Hamas fighters worked really hard to make it clear they have systematically raped the women and girls they found, leaving the evidence everywhere, filming themselves, and uploading footage making it clear women had been assaulted and notably not releasing the young women they took from the festival. We all know why.

And still, and STILL people, left wing progressives, have explicitly denied the rapes happening.