Emma Corrin and 'homophobia'

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Emma Corrin claims to have experienced homophobia since 'coming out' as non-binary.

Emma Corrin is in a relationship with Rami Malek.

Make it make sense.

Given the large amount of offence that Adam took when she was accused of being a man, it seems a little hypocritical to accuse people who disagree with her of the same.

The Sacred Caste are the people who put Progress Flags up. And those that shreik 'phobia' when other people pish back on them. That's the idea of the term 'sacred caste' - it is the people that think they cannot ever be held to account.

I have no idea who they sleep with and nor do you.

Again with the forced teaming.

Why do you feel it's acceptable for you to talk over EC and impose your interpretation of her experiences on her and disqualify her own?

"Scolding" - nice. Another misogynistic term aimed at a woman.

I'm not in the business of doxxing people or invading their privacy so I'll respectfully decline your offer, thanks.

I'm new here so that's interesting and certainly adds another dimension to Adam's quote "This is the Internet. There is no reason to think that all the anonymous posters on this board are women"

I think it's like before you have children, you think you know everything about it and then 10 years later you realise you were a dick.

Omg, I wish I could put this on our staff notice board at work! 😂😂

I used it deliberately to define the behaviour you're engaging in and directing at me, a woman. You're scolding me because you disagree with my views and want to control what I say - it won't work.

I am not actually. Say what you like. I'm allowed to comment on how it comes across. You'll note I'm not using misogynistic terms in my critique.

I wish I could understand this but I can't.

You are denying she's had homophobic abuse. Despite the fact the author of the article says she has. She's a bisexual, GNC woman. It would not be surprising if she had homophobic abuse, it is surprising the immediate clamour to discount it.

Third post on the thread says it all:
Of course she hasn't experienced bloody homophobia. People pointing out she's a straight woman not a super speshul non binary non woman aren't being homophobic.

Some posters are allowing their feelings about trans identifying people, to cloud their responses to a woman talking about abuse. It is not OK and doubling down on it to explain why homophobia doesn't count in some circumstances also isn't OK.

Two things:

1. pointing out something isn't true isn't "taking offence"
2. I haven't said anything at all about people who disagree with me. I've said I know there are quite a few men posting on this board. That's not the same thing at all.

That's not what you said. You used the term "sacred caste" about progress pride, then said:

Guess who is actually who is less safe from the Progress Pride people?

Yes that's right - gay, lesbian and autistic kids.

It's a well known homophobic response to gay people to imply they are child abusers. If you want people to listen to your concerns about harms to children from transition, you are hamstringing yourself by couching the conversation in homophobic tropes.

1. You claimed people were trying to shut you down by claiming you were a man. You seemed pretty offended by that & drew attention to the fact that another poster accused of the same had left the thread.
2. When someone questioned why you were accusing women of misogyny on a feminist board (presumably because you disagreed with their stance, or are you now claiming you agreed with the misogyny you accused them of?) your defence was "There is no reason to think that all the anonymous posters on this board are women, in fact I know quite a lot of them are men who came here from another Internet forum." i.e. many of your accusations of misogyny were therefore against men.

Still haven't seen you call out EC's misogyny btw, Oh Misogynyfinder General

I don't think it would be acceptable for me to talk over Corrin but I can't see where I've done that? My posting here will have no impact on the existence or contents of her Insta feed.

I disqualify her interpretation of her own experiences because I think she's either wrong, or has hamstrung herself by adopting a fashionable identity.
In the former case, if she really believes that her act of identifying as non-binary completely overwhelmes the sensorum of every other person in the world and means that we no longer see her as a woman but instead see her as a person of no sex (who is therefore not in a heterosexual relationship with her boyfriend, so will be targeted by homophobes by not by mysogynysts) I believe she is just plain wrong.
(Sorry, my sentences are going a bit Judith Butler here.)
If, on the other hand, she knows full well that her act of identifying as non-binary has very little material effect, but doesn't want to call her abusers sexists and mysogynysts because this would be admitting that her identity doesn't shape reality, then: more shame on her. She's making it harder for women who don't have her wealth and fame to name the sexism in their own lives because celebrities have an influence on the public conversation, for good or ill.
Am I imposing my interpretation of Corrin's own experiences on Corrin? I don't know. I am ambivalent about conversations about famous people. They are entitled to be the authors of their own life story as much as you or I. On the other hand, celebrities often stand in as useful instantiations of social trends, because we can all run a real life experiemnt to see if, for example, we suddenly stop seeing Corrin as a woman the moment they say, "I am non-binary." (I don't and I don't believe abusive men on Instagram do either).
I also agree with @AdamRyan and you that Corrin is evoking alot of strong, negative reactions from alot of posters, and we're not pulling our punches here. I was awake in the middle of the night mulling over this thread and it occurred to me that one reason for this is that Corrin looks a bit like Sinead O'Connor. I don't know how old you are, so I don't know if The Healing Room saved your soul like it did mine (I have actually prayed to Sinead since her death several times, for comfort and guidance). But I think some expectation is roused in me when I see Corrin, and the bathos of what Corrin says and allows to be said of her provokes a much stronger reaction than is perhaps warranted.

Perfectly put. Some women carry out horrific crimes- I don't support them any more than I'd support a man committing the same crimes.

As an Actual Homosexual, I can assure you that pointing out that Queer Theory, which the Progress Pride movement is part of, has contributed to egregious harm done to gay, lesbian and autistic children is NOT homophobic.

Failing to protect gay and lesbian children from being made to feel like there is something wrong with them and their bodies is the worst form of homophobia in this country.

I'd agree with lots of this. I'd add that many of the strong reactions to EC aren't about who she is or how she identifies, they are not purely a response to her being NB, but they are a response to her actions. I don't think she is beyond criticism.

She has a high profile, which she chooses to leverage in a particular way, and to promote a particular ideology. It's not surprising that people respond to that.

Also, at NO POINT does @AlisonDonut claim that gay people are child abusers- that is one hell of a reach.

I think most people would think Progress Pride is a gay organisation and she explicitly says children are less safe because of them.

I don't think its a reach at all.

They are less safe due to the sterilisation of gay, lesbian and autistic kids.

I can't see how sterilising gay, lesbian or autistic kids makes them MORE safe.

How is that progressive? What progress exactly? What is there to be proud of?

Oh for goodness sake. You know, because you are very active on this board and because this is literally part of the discussion of this thread, that whether or not "most people would think Progress Pride is a gay organisation", @AlisonDonut , like many others on this board, does not think Progress Pride is a gay organisation, she thinks it is an organisation that has mostly abandoned LGB activism to primarily advocate for an extreme and damaging philosophy that legitimises surgically and endocrinally harming your body in an attempt to make it one you believe is more socially acceptable for your personality, denying the reality of sex-based attraction and of sex-based risks and inequalities, removing women's rights and protections and placing child safeguarding principles lower than encouraging close emotional ties between children and adults where those adults claim to understand the child's feelings of gender better than the parents.

It's extremely disingenous to pretend you think Alison has the same view of Progress Pride as "most people" so you can accuse her of something you must know she did not in fact mean.

Pink News have been accused of some awful shit against NB staff this week. You might want to look that up before sharing their links.

Plus an obviously male/female couple are irrelevant to your example.

Is EC on the thread then?

Talking about celebrities isn’t talking over them 😂

1. There is no Progress Pride organisation.

2. If there were, given the Progress Pride flag, it would obviously be an LGBTQ+ organisation, NOT a gay organisation.

3. Children, most of whom were LGB (between 80 and 90%), were made less safe because of the actions of the Tavistock clinic, which was heavily influenced by the TQ movement. The Progress Pride flag links the TQ movement to the LGB movement for equal rights.

Feel free to accuse me of homophobia too, if it makes you happy, but no one here is implying gay people are child abusers.

Out of interest can I ask you what phobia you think gay men are on the receiving end of when they are 'queer bashed' ?