Emma Bunton

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Emma Bunton has posted a picture tribute for her son Tate's 13th birthday with a hashtag #shesmybaby. The 3 young people pictured all have long hair so my initial thought was 'her son must be trans'.

KJK has posted a video saying if she calls her son she/her then she's a child abuser. Not sure what to make of it. I get where KJK is coming from but child abuser?

I couldn't see any other threads on this.

I think this is just evidence that sexist and homophobic thinking is still everywhere with its progressive looking disguises on.
And that some parents, even if they are powerful rich and successful parents, are still easy prey for the TRA front machines- those cheery looking charities that universally advise mums and dads that they could be risking terrible damage to their children or even death of a child, if they don’t actively encourage their child’s social transition.

There isn’t yet an equally broad brush strokes, easy breezy accessible campaign speaking directly to worried parents, that works in the GC direction. Although I have no doubt that will come in the future.

GC energy has had to be spent on combating the worst excesses of what is child abuse. GC causes have not had the luxury of well funded campaigns and free publicity from celebrity figureheads happy to air carefully curated status updates on their kids’ developmental stages on public social media, or a public climate of even being able to talk about GC issues without fear. That is not a criticism at all of GC campaigns or campaigners, this is a David and Goliath thing and the battle is of decades not years.

I’m grateful for KJK pushing the envelope in terms of influencing the wider cultural climate. It’s needed. She’s consistent and incredibly brave.

Emma Bunton wrote 10 tips for parents.

Unsurprisingly, tip number three is where her children teach her, rather than she teaches them.

And the rest is platitudinous word salad, to be honest. With a bit of product promotion.

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Learn From Your Children
My children inspire me every day and in a lot of ways, they are my biggest teachers. I love seeing their unique perspective on the world, and I really appreciate their ability to look at things so differently.

Personally, I should imagine she just thinks it's fashionable, and he thinks it's wrong to be an effeminate boy so went online to ask, and got instantly targeted by all the bollocks propaganda.

She needs to wake up and realise it's not some cool accoutrement and she's the bloody adult here. Because the targeting won't stop.

https://sheerluxe.com/life/parenting/emma-bunton-shares-her-10-parenting-lessons

It is. And what about those little girls in the photo with Tate? Its also abuse to force them to go along with this mumbo jumbo and teaching them men are allowed to say whatever they want and thats that.

Exactly. Is her son going to use their toilets and do they have to shut up about it?

This is the difference between understanding that gender ideology is sexist, homophobic and misogynistic, or thinking it's just a bit of fun.

Because how far will Emma Bunton agree to it? Calling his female friends bigots for not including him in their spaces? Getting him (or attempting to) puberty blockers?

All these celebs saying how proud they are of their children, don't seem to realise they're promoting sexism and homophobia.

Everything you’ve just said about EBs parenting IS abuse though. At the heart of this is a young child who has been swept along on a wave of LGBTQ+ ness. EBs friend, Munroe B, has applauded her actions, showing that there are likely many other people in this child’s life that are influencing his choices.
It’s very hard for parents to do what they think is right in today’s climate, but there is absolutely no excuse for putting a very vulnerable child on the world stage like she has done. As someone else pointed out up thread, she has slammed shut the door for this child to say ‘actually mum, I made a mistake’. he will be celebrated for being ‘trans’, he will be told he is now one of the most marginalised in society and people will want to hate him or deny his existence. He will be told he has every right to invade female only spaces or win prizes designated for females, or take part in female only sports. He will be upset that others will not accept that he can do all of that because he’s not, nor every will be, female. So yes, it’s emotional abuse to affirm a child who decided their sex is wrong. It’s the ultimate kind of ‘gentle parenting’. Should EB go on to source puberty blockers and cross sex hormones for him, then that would tip over into physical abuse.

Oh god I didn't realise she was friends with Munroe B. Ugh. There's someone who really does hate women. As in adult human females. I just don't understand after all of Munroe's horrible comments in the past, women like Emma can associate with and be friends with Munroe. It's cognitive dissonance. How, after the Cass report and all the evidence that's come out of that not be having an impact on thought processes?

This might help for those confused about which toys are ok for boys or for girls:

What a mess. EB has 2 sons. Noe the youngest is trans.

I agree with KJK:

Kellie-Jay Keen founded Party Of Women to make sure that people can safely say:
No woman has a penis
No man has a vagina
There is no such thing as "non-binary"

Those are facts and can not be disputed.

But to call EB "a child abuser is" is a step too far.

Emma Bunton's situation probably falls into a comfortable little sweet spot of wanting to do right by her son (by affirming his confused wonderings), and enjoying that this is actually conveniently sTuNnINg and bRAyVe.

I wonder if her son told her he wanted to join the Catholic priesthood as soon as he was old enough, would she have him posing with the Eucharist and a copy of the Canon Law? Probably not, as its not cool and she would assume that there would be a good chance he'd change his mind.

While I doubt she is deliberately abusing him, I do think it's a mis use of her influence and following. Any kind of discussion that your child has with you with any aspect of sex (sexual interactions or biological sex) needs to be handled sensitively, privately and discretely. As a mother, your focus should be on protecting your child long term, and that means making sure that the things they entrust you with are guarded carefully. Our children's trust should be stewarded very mindfully and their personal business should be respected. Thats before we even get into the fact it's a lie and she is allowing him to believe a falsehood.

Instead, she helps him to build this fantasy and publicises it. It's folly, it's foolish, its crass and its cringe! Abuser? Hmm, not intentionally. Very, very silly? Yes.

I fail to see how lying to your son, telling him that yes he’s a girl in the wrong body, that he needs to live his live going forward masquerading as a girl, that he has to feel deep shame and upset about his “wrong” genitals, that he has to painfully “tuck” his penis (admittedly not all will do this), that he needs to take puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, that he needs to become a lifelong medical patient… ISN’T abuse.

Instead Emma could just have let him enjoy stereotypically feminine pursuits, as countless gay men will tell you they enjoyed as boys.

Even worse than the lying that yes, of course you can become a girl are the parents posting that their child is terrified of all the people who hate them and want them not to exist.

If you've allowed and encouraged your kid to believe that everyone who won't play along with their wishful thinking hates them, you are absolutely colluding in psychological abuse IMO.

I've posted it before, but it bears repeating

Yes!

Charlize Theron
Jean Smart
Naomi Watts/Liev Schreiber
Cynthia Nixon
Sade
Several children of Real Housewives

I'm sure theres even more than that

I always do wonder with the daughters of famously beautiful Mothers is it just deciding that you will forever be compared to your Mother and found lacking and opting out is easier like if every day someone was holding me up against JLo and comparing my looks to her I would prefer to opt out

No one should encourage child in a delusion that can lead at best to disappointment, at worst to serious physical and mental damage. Calling that ‘abuse’ is fair enough, in my view.

A very good point. Deliberately making a child paranoid is a horrible form of abuse.

I’ve posted before about a woman we know who used to be a page 3/glamour model. FHM - that sort of thing.

Shes got an adolescent girl who she now refers to as her son 🙄

The girl wears her hair literally over her face, constantly has her arms folded over her chest and basically looks permanently miserable. Poor kid.

KJK is an activist not a strategist. She is very effective at what she does. On this point KJK is probably right but she is ahead of the curve.

The only way to reverse the escalation of gender dysphoria in children and young adults is to stop feeding the gender identity monster with attention. On an everyday level that means (for example) calling a halt to public declarations of perfectly ordinary pronouns. And for individual parents it means no public announcements about their gender if your child is dysphoric or otherwise messing about with their gender identity. Just find something else to say about your child and be proud of on their birthday. Surely Bunton must have something else she cares about in her child? Scattering them with gendered hashtags is making a huge fuss about exactly the wrong thing and while it might not be conscious abuse it's at least very poor parenting.

In time it will be seen as abusive and people like Bunton will have quietly forgotten they ever did it.

plus at 13 the kids is plenty old enough to know whether they're 'queer' one way or another

Queer one way or another is any 13 year old who ever lived, and some feel very @odd, queer and an utter misfit. Since when does that mean they are trans though, especially as you can only think you are trans?

The only way to reverse the escalation of gender dysphoria in children and young adults is to stop feeding the gender identity monster with attention.

The choice appears to be "deny them the oxygen of publicity" (Margaret Thatcher vs the IRA, which notably failed), or "sunlight is the best disinfectant".

For me, the latter is the way to go. It's not always the best choice but when you're dealing with self-evident nonsense, that's positively toxic towards young people, then you really need to get the public to turn their attention onto what's going on.

i suppose I meant that by 13 they'll certainly know whether or not they're same- or opposite- (or both) sex attracted; and will be old enough to plausibly self-diagnose as trans. whilst the declared self-diagnosis may prove inaccurate, we're at least not talking about a little kid who might genuinely think they're of the opposite sex. and i think that EB's not showing the kid's face feels quite positive, this definitely isn't a publicity stunt.

we're at least not talking about a little kid who might genuinely think they're of the opposite sex

You're joking aren't you. We have grown men in their 50s saying that they have literally changed sex because they're trans.

I agree with that and yes I did even remember Thatcher's "oxygen of publicity" (old lady here ) I was thinking about something slightly different, like treating someone you love as if the most important and noticeable valuable thing about them is their gender identity. Or speaking to your colleagues as if the most important thing about your interaction is that one of you might be "trans".

It's like any other psychological condition. It doesn't really matter what psychological or social issue a "trans" identity arose from originally, if you feed it attention you make it stronger. In a parent-child relationship it doesn't even matter if the attention is positive or negative any parental attention can be reinforcing. (More complex than that in reality but you see what I mean)

Bunten lives her life in a blaze of publicity so in her family there is no difference between saying it on the family WhatsApp and announcing it to the world. And what I'm saying is that even if it's just the family WhatsApp - if you care about a "trans" relative then find something else to say about them.

Agree @AmaryllisNightAndDay I also think that growing up with a celebrity parent simply isn't conducive to positive mental health. Some celebrities will be able to make a good go of it but I think the challenges are so huge that they must be very difficult to protect your children from.

So a nice family photo has been used by a transphobic hater for their own purposes.