Emma Bunton

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Emma Bunton has posted a picture tribute for her son Tate's 13th birthday with a hashtag #shesmybaby. The 3 young people pictured all have long hair so my initial thought was 'her son must be trans'.

KJK has posted a video saying if she calls her son she/her then she's a child abuser. Not sure what to make of it. I get where KJK is coming from but child abuser?

I couldn't see any other threads on this.

But…but, Tate has always been dressed as a girl. She referred to him as ‘he’ when she gave an interview about her life as a mum, but the photo accompanying the article would suggest he dressed as a girl.
In the Irish Independent article she is shown with her partner and her two children.

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/we-girls-have-to-push-a-bit-harder-emma-bunton-is-hoping-for-a-spice-girls-reunion/34559679.html

@Myalternate I believe Tate is the younger of the 2 children in the photo. Beau is her eldest and the one with the long hair. Tate is the one in jeans with shorter hair

So Beau is dressed as a girl ? 🤷‍♀️

the problem with KJK's commenting on Emma Bunton's son is just that- she is naming 2 individuals and saying something VERY challenging about them
this is not the way to protect children in general or that child in particular

EB is not going to ponder whT KJK said and think 'oh, wait a minute, maybe there's another way of understanding my son'- as PP said, she may sincerely believe she is doing the best, most loving thing for her son

Fine to say 'some celebrities are using their children to promote themselves, jumping on the trans bandwagon etc ' or whatever else she wants to say- its not OK to accuse a named individual of child abuse in this public way. Yes children's safety is everyones concern, that means if we come across something worrying ourselves (as opposed to a post on SM) we report that appropriately, not publicly slagging off the alleged perpetrator

I agree it makes her look crazy and vindictive, does the GC movement no favours and will shut down thinking rather than open it up.

I deeply regret that someone as experienced and media savvy as Emma Bunton elected to incorporate one of her children as an asset for garnishing her social media profile, exposing that child to the Wild, Wild West of demi/semi/scarcely regulated comment.

How many celebrities have trans children now? Off the top of my head Annette Be ing, Charlize Theron, Naomi Watts and Cynthia Nixon all people I admire and A listers. There’s loads more further down the celeb chain it’s like the new celebrity surrogacy, what is going on?

Fair play to Angelina Jolie who actually seemed to support Shiloh be whatever she wanted to be and? Look at her now? A Fantastic individual creative teen who seems well rounded (as she can be 😀) never in the spotlight

Yes, Brad and Angelina clearly have their issues, but they have handled this brilliantly - genuine acceptance of their child.

A few years ago it was teeny tiny dogs carried around in handbags. Now it’s trans kids apparently. Is there some celebrity related genetic reason that celebs have more kids identifying as trans than the general population appears to? Maybe Stonewall could initiate some research, though on second thought maybe not.

Floisme · Today 08:46

I don't know Tate or Emma's story and I did find what KJK wrote quite shocking,

What has she written? Perhaps I'm being dim, but I can't see a link.

OK, I've found it:

https://twitter.com/LGBwiththeT/status/1788266564241797264

The language is shocking because we associate it with other kinds of harm that are caused by malice or neglect.

Telling your young child that they can choose the sex they want to be is neglect.

She literally neglected to explain to him that his testicles are going to drop, his penis is going to double in size, his whole body will become more hairy, especially on his face, his feet will grow rapidly, his shoulders will broaden, his voice will deepen and he will be at least as tall as his dad.

For a pre-pubescent boy who likes dressing up a a girl and 'blending in' with them, this is going to be a massive unwelcome and stressful shock.

Unless she has told him he can only 'be a girl' until puberty, then she has neglected his wellbeing.

Badly done Emma, badly done.

Agreed. I will say from the outset that I've never been entirely enamoured of Keane, unlike other public activists in this sphere, even though I did admire her guts. And these boards contain the most intelligent and informed discussions of these issues I've seen anywhere. But when it boils down to accusing parents of child abuse, that's sailing dangerously close to the transphobia TRAs often claims riddles this site: which is inaccurate, because it doesn't. But discussions like this do nothing to dispel that impression. Who, exactly, is she trying to help here? Because this won't achieve anything productive whatsoever.

I might disapprove of Bunton's parenting, particularly post-Cass when the harm caused by social transition has been highlighted more clearly; I might think she's an idiot for the way she's handling things and certainly an exhibitionist for parading the issue so publicly on SM. Parents who are trying to navigate this social contagion in the best way possible, and have been misguided or misinformed, might well be accused of poor parenting.

But calling the woman a child abuser? Just no.

How the actual fuck do you know what she has or hasn't said to her children?

The projection here is so large you could beam to the ISS.

How the actual fuck do you know what she has or hasn't said to her children?

Because she's put it on public social media. She's calling him a girl when she knows full well he isn't a girl. Gaslighting her own child.

And you can tell exactly what's happened in their lives over many years from that one snapshot can you?

I'd love to borrow your crystal ball when you're done.

I do worry over children being pigeonholed into being this or that on SM.

It just seems so irresponsible.

This

I think KJK does a huge amount of harm to the GC movement. She's unpleasant and unreasonable.

I love that understanding basic biology and fact is now a movement and has an official name.

But pandering to and facilitating social transition is not a neutral act. At the very least it is bad parenting. Maybe the word abuse is strong but if it wakes people up to the reality of this toxic social contagion then maybe it’s justified

And you can tell exactly what's happened in their lives over many years from that one snapshot can you

Yes you can tell exactly what's happened. Emma has gone from a parent that was thankful that her 5 year old son was still enjoying playing with his dolls, to a parent that is publicly calling her 13 year old son a girl.

He has not changed into a girl. He never will be a girl. She has lied to him. What else would you call it?

Her son went to my kids' old primary school. Would've been completely supportive they've had this before.

It's clear that socially transitioning a child is a powerful psychosocial intervention with potentially profound and long-lasting ramifications. That's why people want to do it. Such interventions would not be abusive if they could be shown to be both beneficial where appropriate and appropriate in any given case, but otherwise, run an unacceptably high risk of causing harm and could therefore be fairly categorised as abusive, IMO. The current state of knowledge does not demonstrate that this intervention is beneficial, nor that we can accurately determine when it's appropriate.