Emma Bunton

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Emma Bunton has posted a picture tribute for her son Tate's 13th birthday with a hashtag #shesmybaby. The 3 young people pictured all have long hair so my initial thought was 'her son must be trans'.

KJK has posted a video saying if she calls her son she/her then she's a child abuser. Not sure what to make of it. I get where KJK is coming from but child abuser?

I couldn't see any other threads on this.

No where near the harm that has been/is being done to kids and young people by deluded adults in the name of Be Kind

I don't expect to agree with everything that KJK or any other GC person says.

I do think that, if you don't have the guts to be out in public as GC (I don't), you should be bloody grateful for the people who are, especially those who spoke out when no one else would. It's easy to tone-police from the safety of anonymity.

Don't think KJK is GC-ing right? Okey-doke- get out there and show her how it's done.

All this stuff is circular, and I can't help but to feel that these sort of cases are actually unintended consequences of a different feminist campaign "Let toys be toys".

We have been told that toys have no gender and so have allowed children to play with opposite gender toys (which is fine), but a few years later and we've now hit the trans trend and have said that any child that played with opposite gender toys when they were younger is evidence of being trans.

We've pretty much reverse-ferreted on let toys be toys.

plus at 13 the kids is plenty old enough to know whether they're 'queer' one way or another

13 is very young. An age when children will be learning about sexuality and won't have any adult experience (hopefully). It's precisely the age at which children need to be allowed to safely grow up, without needing to make adult decisions.

She pushes the conversation along. Even when no-one thanks her for it.

No "we" haven't, at least not me, anyway.
When my teenager was a baby I was sickened by the hyper gender of absolutely everything.
I did love "Let toys be toys". I still do. But back then, I got comments about my daughter looking like a boy, and being dressed like a boy. I found it difficult as i grew up surrounded by people who encouraged kids to do whatever without stereotypes constraining them.
I think most people live in communities where stereotypes are the norm. The rest of us will always be eccentric.

I agree with this. She seems hell bent on becoming the GC equivalent of Laurence Fox.

She's been to the Katie Hopkins school of wind-ups and knows what to say to get attention.

Is that you, Laurence Fox? No, feminists did not cause trans activism, FFS.

Forcing kids into rigid gender roles and transing kids are two sides of the same coin. The more rigid the boundaries between male and female, the harder it is for gender non-conforming kids to be accepted by society. Instead of accepting them, we now tell them their bodies are wrong and cut their genitals off.

Do people not think gaslighting a child is abusive when the consequences are so serious?

This is far from pretending Santa exists.

To raise a child to think it's a positive thing to commit to a life of medication that has serious side effects and amputate healthy body parts beggars belief.

I remember when KJK first came on the scene and was being lambasted about SG "castrating" her son I thought "great" somebody is actually prepared to speak truth and stop talking in nice euphemisms like top/bottom surgery.

I genuinely don't understand why this is any different to a person fabricating illness in a child that leads to unnecessary medical intervention - something we rightly decry and find shocking. Where a child would be removed from that parent for their protection.

Yet here we are parallels of SG again of a boy who liked playing with dolls being gaslighted into thinking they can change sex.

What KJK is saying isn't wrong. What's shocking is that some people think that it is.

We have been told that toys have no gender and so have allowed children to play with opposite gender toys (which is fine),

This ^^ always was, and still is, the gender critical position (except we wouldn't use the phrase opposite gender toys)

but a few years later and we've now hit the trans trend and have said that any child that played with opposite gender toys when they were younger is evidence of being trans.

This ^^ is the trans activist position which is sexist and regressive.

I've not seen the post - I consider it abusive to lie, to lie to and block children's puberty and put them on a pathway to a life of medication, surgery, with no sexual function.

I'm not happy that girls, the Lesbians and Gay men, the autistic kids, the quirky kids, the fucking Tomboys are being told that they are wrong and they need to suffer to conform.

Fuck that.
I'm with Kelly-Jay.

100% this. Fuck that crap!

Stephen Dawkins famously and controversially said foisting your religion on your child was child abuse. He's given the title of 'provocative thinker'....

Yes it is Laurence Fox! Seriously this is a case of 2+2=5.

Let Toys be Toys came about because science based and educational toys were being targeted at boys, whilst girls just had the household toys and dolls, so it was a feminist thing to do to say that girls can do science too! That is not controversial.

I didn't say that feminists caused trans activism.

But what has happened since is the rise of gender ideology with this concept that a child who plays with certain toys is trans. Gender ideology and Let Toys be Toys are polar opposites, but unfortunately I would say someone like Emma Bunton did the Let Toys be Toys when her son was younger and is now caught up with gender ideology, and now thinking that Let Toys be Toys was something else.

Richard Dawkins. He got a lot of pushback on that specifically, and has got a lot of flak more generally for his statements, writings and position on religion. Perhaps there are some double standards in some ways, but from what I've seen, it's hardly as if Dawkins gets a pass for commenting on religion rather than gender, or for being male rather than female. He might get fewer rape threats, or be more kindly looked on when he speaks confidently or assertively than women often are, but he's hardly sailed through with reputation intact.

Laurence you are wrong.

Toys are toys. Give a range of toys to children and they will develop a range of skills and interests. It won’t ‘turn’ them anything.
Social media on the other hand….

I would say someone like Emma Bunton did the Let Toys be Toys when her son was younger and is now caught up with gender ideology, and now thinking that Let Toys be Toys was something else.

So you're suggesting that 10 years ago she understood that it was OK for boys to play with dolls, and now she thinks that a boy playing with dolls means he's a girl in a boy's body?

But what has happened since is the rise of gender ideology with this concept that a child who plays with certain toys is trans. Gender ideology and Let Toys be Toys are polar opposites, but unfortunately I would say someone like Emma Bunton did the Let Toys be Toys when her son was younger and is now caught up with gender ideology, and now thinking that Let Toys be Toys was something else.

I get what you're saying here. I think Emma is actually gender critical and wanted her sons to just be themselves.

But the pressure from children (who are being coached online and in schools that gender identity is a real thing and that if they like 'girl' toys/activities they must be girls) towards their parents leaves people like Emma with a stark choice.

There is no middle ground. She must either go along with the lie to keep her child happy or act like the grown up she is and parent her child properly. This goes for his dad too of course.

But there was no need to post on social media about such a personal and private matter. Presumably she had her son's permission but, at 13, does she really believe he has the capacity or maturity to understand the audience.

She's done really badly here and failed to protect his privacy.

You've worded this much better than I can 👏

Stockwell?

Cher
Jamie Lee Curtis
Megan Fox/Brian Austin Green
J Lo
Ben Affleck/Jennifer Garner
Tori Spelling
Ally Sheedy
Sigorney Weaver
Busy Phillips

Good God, really? I can’t say I’ve seen them publicising it except for Cher and tbf that was years ago and unusual then. Jamie Lee oh gosh the child is now married and I’m not saying anymore as I will sound bitchy but you can google. She is well supported at least.

Sounds like Busy just let her child be https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/12/03/busy-philipps-daughter-birdie

don’t you think that j lo and afflecks are doing it as some kind of rebellion? What are the chances of getting with someone and then all of a sudden both kids are changing pronouns and cutting their hair? It’s like they are like punks were in the late 70’s trying to shock.

Imho transitioning a child is child abuse.

It probably is a bit of shock factor as well for the celebrity's children. Think about it, their parents are fussed over, in the spotlight, glamorous and rich (which they've grown up around). Prior to this new phenomenon you'd see so many stories about the offspring of famous people having addiction issues etc in their teenage years and into adulthood.

Rebellion against your parents is par for the course so of course some children of celebrities are going to take it to the next level. The issue is they aren't getting any push back about it (ie the parents are delighting in it, like in this case, and promoting it on social media etc).

The harmful impact of this is that it will influence the not so famous and then put pressure on those teens to emulate and unfortunately they'll be put on that path as well. It may be that these celebrity children will continue to go down the medical pathway, but it could just be a phase. Promoting it however will influence other teenagers and children whose parents don't have the resources to stop it when it gets out of hand.

Sigourney Weaver’s non binary child is about 40 so I don’t know if we can say she’s jumping on a bandwagon. (I checked Wiki so I’m going on that info)