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Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

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TeacherAnonymous123 · 30/04/2024 12:54

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

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Vaccances · 01/05/2024 08:13

ArabellaScott · 01/05/2024 08:04

It was the word 'fail' I was specifically interested by.

Like others, I'm increasingly noticing the righteousness and intolerance. As if people can be bullied or shamed into voting one way or another.

I vote based on manifesto, candidate, and my own considered judgement. Not on someone else's angry instruction.

If Labour want my vote they need to demonstrate how they are better.

Anyone living in Scotland is heartily sick of a government that has only one line: 'the other lot are bad and its all their fault'.

Stop slagging off the Tories and demonstrate WHY Labour/Green/Raving Loony party are better.

Well, you ve answered your own question - You vote on the different parties Manifesto's.
Which Labour have not yet produced but we do have the Tories 14 years of govt to look at.

Bullied? now thats an interesting word to use and not one i would recognise, rather i 've put forward the Tories record and policies, rather than what they say, you and others seem more easily swayed by nice but meaningless words.

Labour anti women? Duffield is staying put, Labour have twice as many female MPs as the tories (proportionately)

Why would that be? why are more women attracted to the Labour party than the Cons? are these women so easily fooled?

ZeldaFighter · 01/05/2024 08:14

Lostmum1906 · 30/04/2024 13:25

Yes, I feel the Tories will get the economy back on track and the trans issue is a big deal to me.

Just to say that its the decade plus of the Tories that ruined the economy in the first place. Liz Truss is a Tory.

RebelliousCow · 01/05/2024 08:16

Vaccances · 01/05/2024 08:13

Well, you ve answered your own question - You vote on the different parties Manifesto's.
Which Labour have not yet produced but we do have the Tories 14 years of govt to look at.

Bullied? now thats an interesting word to use and not one i would recognise, rather i 've put forward the Tories record and policies, rather than what they say, you and others seem more easily swayed by nice but meaningless words.

Labour anti women? Duffield is staying put, Labour have twice as many female MPs as the tories (proportionately)

Why would that be? why are more women attracted to the Labour party than the Cons? are these women so easily fooled?

You seem to be framing everything as 'Labour versus the Tories'. It is not that simple.

If Scotland returns to Labour then Labour will win the election in November or whenever it is. I'm not sure why there is a need to berate people for voting with their own integrity and on issues which matter to them?

EasternStandard · 01/05/2024 08:18

Vaccances · 01/05/2024 08:13

Well, you ve answered your own question - You vote on the different parties Manifesto's.
Which Labour have not yet produced but we do have the Tories 14 years of govt to look at.

Bullied? now thats an interesting word to use and not one i would recognise, rather i 've put forward the Tories record and policies, rather than what they say, you and others seem more easily swayed by nice but meaningless words.

Labour anti women? Duffield is staying put, Labour have twice as many female MPs as the tories (proportionately)

Why would that be? why are more women attracted to the Labour party than the Cons? are these women so easily fooled?

Women believe in gender ideology too. You only have to look on here and at Butler and co to see that

Duffieid has spoken up about the treatment

Labour are more enthrall to gender ideology and many women don’t want that

Dineasair · 01/05/2024 08:18

happinessischocolate · 30/04/2024 23:23

Tories have been in power for the last 14 years !

The trans issues have got worse over the past 14 years.

Yeah let's vote the tories back in.....🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Labour introduced the GRA and then made it worse by amending it to include sex, in Scotland they voted for self ID and their aim is to introduce self ID in England, what part of this is Labours mess don’t you get ffs!

ArabellaScott · 01/05/2024 08:19

Call me 'easily swayed' and 'foolish', of course I'm going to leap to vote for the party you tell me to.

It does make me wonder ...

Dineasair · 01/05/2024 08:22

Vaccances · 01/05/2024 08:13

Well, you ve answered your own question - You vote on the different parties Manifesto's.
Which Labour have not yet produced but we do have the Tories 14 years of govt to look at.

Bullied? now thats an interesting word to use and not one i would recognise, rather i 've put forward the Tories record and policies, rather than what they say, you and others seem more easily swayed by nice but meaningless words.

Labour anti women? Duffield is staying put, Labour have twice as many female MPs as the tories (proportionately)

Why would that be? why are more women attracted to the Labour party than the Cons? are these women so easily fooled?

The whole gender issue is Labour’s mess, they created it and then made it worse, and if they get in they will make it yet worse by introducing self I’d. GTF.

Vaccances · 01/05/2024 08:49

Dineasair · 01/05/2024 08:18

Labour introduced the GRA and then made it worse by amending it to include sex, in Scotland they voted for self ID and their aim is to introduce self ID in England, what part of this is Labours mess don’t you get ffs!

The Tories have around a 40 seat majority, so could change the GRA before the next election but have no plans to do so.
14 years? how long would it have to be before you'd actually blame the party in Govt???

Why haven't the Tories amended the GRA ?

They could change the rules around GRC's, instead they slashed the fees to £5 only and opened more clinics, its self ID by the back door, just 2 years living as a women and bingo! you ve got your GRC, 96% acceptance rate, the other 4% fail on admin issues.

Scotland will have the chance to vote out the SNP soon, who aren't the Labour party.

RebelliousCow · 01/05/2024 08:51

As I suggested above, if Scotland turns away from the SNP and back to Labour the chances are Labour will win the next election. It will be difficult to achieve without Scotland.

Should Labour win there is going to a very big list of expectations and demands on every front: the NHS; fuel and food prices; inadequate public transport throughout the country; striking doctors, nurses and railway staff; depleted local council budgets; a mental health crisis; issues with illegal immigration and asylum seekers; relationships with the EU; war on the borders of Europe, in the Middle East; other pressing global issues.......as well as the ongoing issues around Gender ideology in our schools, in our institutions and workplaces.

It will be interesting to see what their manifesto priorities are.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/05/2024 08:52

Polishedshoesalways · 01/05/2024 05:34

Mass civil war and the real rise of the dreaded far right is now virtually guaranteed if Labour get in, will that be good for the women and children in the U.K.?

If Labour get in, I have information from impeccable sources that tell me they fully intend to immediately reverse brexit. Without a referendum. Can you just imagine what is going to happen then?

Starmer could not care less about you or me, it seems he most definitely has an agenda he has agreed to deliver and he is happily going to throw us under the bus, and the peace and stability of our country to get there. He literally has his fingers in his ears.

I love the smell of Tory desperation in the morning.
😆😆😆

ArabellaScott · 01/05/2024 08:53

RebelliousCow · 01/05/2024 08:51

As I suggested above, if Scotland turns away from the SNP and back to Labour the chances are Labour will win the next election. It will be difficult to achieve without Scotland.

Should Labour win there is going to a very big list of expectations and demands on every front: the NHS; fuel and food prices; inadequate public transport throughout the country; striking doctors, nurses and railway staff; depleted local council budgets; a mental health crisis; issues with illegal immigration and asylum seekers; relationships with the EU; war on the borders of Europe, in the Middle East; other pressing global issues.......as well as the ongoing issues around Gender ideology in our schools, in our institutions and workplaces.

It will be interesting to see what their manifesto priorities are.

Actually, Wings' analysis shows that's not really true, although it's a claim often made. Whether or not his politics are to your taste, this piece usefully crunches the numbers:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/why-labour-doesnt-need-scotland/

'England and the rest of the UK are and always have been perfectly capable of electing a Labour government if they want one, whatever Scotland does.The truth is that Labour doesn’t need Scottish MPs, and an independent Scotland would NOT give the Tories a permanent majority in the remnant UK'

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Why Labour doesn’t need Scotland

One of Labour’s sneakier tricks in opposing Scottish independence is to appeal to Scottish voters’ sense of social responsibility. The former party of socialist internationalism begs th…

https://wingsoverscotland.com/why-labour-doesnt-need-scotland

RebelliousCow · 01/05/2024 08:54

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/05/2024 08:52

I love the smell of Tory desperation in the morning.
😆😆😆

I do think there are a lot of traditional working class communities who no longer automatically look to Labour......I don't think they should be dismissed so easily. That is one of the reasons the Tories were re-elected last time.

AstonsDataThief · 01/05/2024 08:56

Vaccances · 01/05/2024 08:49

The Tories have around a 40 seat majority, so could change the GRA before the next election but have no plans to do so.
14 years? how long would it have to be before you'd actually blame the party in Govt???

Why haven't the Tories amended the GRA ?

They could change the rules around GRC's, instead they slashed the fees to £5 only and opened more clinics, its self ID by the back door, just 2 years living as a women and bingo! you ve got your GRC, 96% acceptance rate, the other 4% fail on admin issues.

Scotland will have the chance to vote out the SNP soon, who aren't the Labour party.

I agree that the Tories should have got rid of the GRA. But it is clearly a fallacy to say that because the Tories haven’t yet turned this around, Labour would be better. Labour in Wales, and their voting record in Scotland, show what would happen.

RebelliousCow · 01/05/2024 08:56

ArabellaScott · 01/05/2024 08:53

Actually, Wings' analysis shows that's not really true, although it's a claim often made. Whether or not his politics are to your taste, this piece usefully crunches the numbers:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/why-labour-doesnt-need-scotland/

'England and the rest of the UK are and always have been perfectly capable of electing a Labour government if they want one, whatever Scotland does.The truth is that Labour doesn’t need Scottish MPs, and an independent Scotland would NOT give the Tories a permanent majority in the remnant UK'

Maybe, but if Scotland is full on SNP it makes it that bit harder to achieve.

CasadeCoca · 01/05/2024 08:57

Dineasair · 01/05/2024 08:18

Labour introduced the GRA and then made it worse by amending it to include sex, in Scotland they voted for self ID and their aim is to introduce self ID in England, what part of this is Labours mess don’t you get ffs!

I think you'll find Maria Miller (conservative) was the pivotal figure in respect of the promotion of self-ID in recent parliamentary history.

RebelliousCow · 01/05/2024 09:00

CasadeCoca · 01/05/2024 08:57

I think you'll find Maria Miller (conservative) was the pivotal figure in respect of the promotion of self-ID in recent parliamentary history.

Yes, but it cannot be denied that if it had been a Labour government over the last six years then Self Id would have been passed, and it would have been likely that the Scottish GRA would have been too. There would have been no Cass Review, and we'd most likely still be struggling with " No debate".

AstonsDataThief · 01/05/2024 09:00

CasadeCoca · 01/05/2024 08:57

I think you'll find Maria Miller (conservative) was the pivotal figure in respect of the promotion of self-ID in recent parliamentary history.

But the point you seem determine to ignore is the Tories didn’t introduce Self ID.

Soigneur · 01/05/2024 09:03

No. I’m voting tactically to get the current government out. Which means voting Lib Dem. While the trans issue important to me, education, utility regulation, transport, workers rights, social and economic justice, relations with Europe, migration policy, environment and corruption in office are also important and anything has to be better than the current government on these policy areas.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 01/05/2024 09:11

For the first time ever, I don't know who to vote for. My (safe, Tory) MP has been unremittingly awful, so I always just vote against him in order to send a topical message or try to save someone's deposit.

Now, weird things are afoot. Labour have a real chance of winning for the first time ever. But, when I wrote to our MP about Truss's PMB, he wrote back to say how much he agreed with me and how important this is to him. Hmmm.

There is no party for me. I want to vote for the 'understand reality and be fair to everybody party'. Tories are only fair to people that don't need fairness in the first place. Labour are authoritarian and prone to magical thinking.

I will probably vote Labour and, if she gets in, make it my mission to educate her, because she'll be of the ruling party.

I think that in opposition the Tories will use women's rights as a political weapon only rather than a serious party objective. Which is fine because it will air the issues and hold Labour's feet to the fire.

I am not worried about self-ID. The havoc is already being wrought by wilful misinterpretation of EA2010 and self-ID won't change that. And there's litigation ongoing to try to fix the problem, if Parliament can't or won't do it.

BonfireLady · 01/05/2024 09:11

Medschoolmum · 01/05/2024 07:44

No. I'm gender critical but I think that anyone who votes on this one issue alone is a fool.

Everyone?
Even if they've thought about it very deeply for a long time, followed what's happening in politics, schools and healthcare and have a child at risk of harm?

rupsmiu · 01/05/2024 09:12

No way.

Runor · 01/05/2024 09:14

Probably. I think the Tories have done a much better job here than equivalent left-wing administrations eg Australia & Canada. In some states, if your child claims a trans identity you are legally bound to support that, including financing operations and drugs regimes. If you refuse to affirm, your child can be removed. I don’t trust that Labour (Lib dems/greens) wouldn’t go down this route, and my children are more important to me than anything else.

if Labour were to change direction on this, and do so in a way I could trust, then they would absolutely get my vote.

BonfireLady · 01/05/2024 09:14

ArabellaScott · 01/05/2024 07:48

Your crappy FPTP system presentd differently to those of us living in Scotland.

And as someone who lives under the chaos of our PR system and is now subject to unelected list politicians exerting far more.power than they ought to: be careful what you wish for.

Interesting.
I have always assumed a PR system would result in fairer representation and better democracy.
I'd be keen to hear more about how it has been working in practice. I hadn't realised that Scotland had it in place - apologies for my ignorance!

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/05/2024 09:15

RebelliousCow · 01/05/2024 08:54

I do think there are a lot of traditional working class communities who no longer automatically look to Labour......I don't think they should be dismissed so easily. That is one of the reasons the Tories were re-elected last time.

Traditional WC communities have had it to the back teeth of Tories. They're really feeling the impacts of the cuts, but more importantly the impact of their lies. Everyone in the country is feeling the impact of their lies.

Thats why the Tories are losing votes left (to Labour), right (to Reform) and centre (to the Lib dems).

NealBrose · 01/05/2024 09:15

No.

The Cass review was the right thing to do to protect children and I'm pleased it was commissioned. But it was nothing to do with women's rights. There are politicians with very different views on safe spaces for women in both parties. As there are for other feminist issues e.g. abortion.

The Tory's overall record on pretty much everything has been abysmal, particularly for single low-income families, carers, and people suffering with MH difficulties. Women make up disproportionately more of this group.

The are currently promising more pain for those groups with their 'benefit crackdown'. So women in the firing line again.

They need to go.