Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

[TeacherAnonymous123]

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

I'm in a marginal Labour V SNP seat. Protecting women's rights is the top issue for me, though not the only one. A few weeks ago there was a Labour stall in my local high street and I spoke to the candidate - I'd say they had a fairly good understanding of the background, and a commitment to protecting single-sex spaces on the basis of sex, though I didn't get the impression it was going to be top of their list if elected. They were very good on some of the other issues I care about (the NHS, housing, job opportunities for young people etc). Overall that's a whole lot better than my current SNP MP who couldn't care less about women's rights and will go along with whatever nonsense comes their way from the transactivist ideologues.

The other evening I got canvassed on the doorstep by a lovely woman wearing a Labour Women's Declaration badge. We talked for ages, and she was completely on top of local and national stuff (Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, the cancelled screenings of Adult Human Female at Edinburgh University, LGBT Youth Scotland in schools, the Cass Review, lesbian erasure etc). She said she wouldn't spend her time canvassing for a candidate if she didn't trust them on sex and gender, and I believed her. As I'm left-leaning and historically a Labour voter, this is good enough for me.

I don't think they will meaningfully either, but I suppose they can probably wrangle some bone to offer the public.

I’m in a Labour seat that’s a key Green target. Other parties nowhere.

Any advice?

At least write to them to tell them they're madder than a box of misogynist frogs - so they can't pretend everyone is on board the crazy train.

@Seadragonusgiganticusmaximus

Well it depends if women in your area are switched on with regards to the harm being done to children who have mental health issues and get persuaded they might be in the 'wrong body'. The Cass report shows harm done and of all parties the Greens are very pro trans women are women blah blah.

Then depends if people actually want a change of government rather than Tory continuing. The Greens aren't a credible opposition.

Then they bang the drum for all the uncosted expensive environment things. Stop oil love Greens so if you love that type of protest join up.

Solar panels in low light levels in Scotland, madness that is Greens

Shutting roads for cycle paths. If you like that go Greens.

They are thd waifs and strays who love you spend other peoples money on tin pot ideas so never get any power

I have found those promises quite empty too.

Saw this

https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1798475043623813581

Gender on a spectrum taught to young people. Are you Barbir or G I Joe. If you don't match one end then you must be in wrong body. Bloody he'll poor kids. No wonder autistic children are the most likely to "change" gender, what chance fo they have

Labour then.

I’m rather hoping they’ll come and canvas me so I can tell them to their face.

The trouble is that rainbows cost nothing. Third spaces, extra groups for trans people, extra toilets or changing rooms, all that costs money. But use the women's facilities? Costs nothing. (Sometimes I wonder if TWAW is all a ploy to horrify women into making the effort for third spaces - we'll back anything if it keeps TW out of ours.)

Good quality talking therapy costs more than hormones. (Well even poor quality talking therapy probably costs more) Hormones keep'em happy and send'em away. Great for a few years and when the long-term medical problems start and the NHS shit hits the fan they can all blame each other.

Sorry, having a cynical moment here.

Detransitioners in autistic young people in a few years when they realise they were perfect anyway, not in the wrong body and badly let down, the harm caused is sickening and sad.😥

Great news morningtoncrescent and I agree with you Amaryllis.
tsabeautufulday I hate to think how many young autistic kids and teenagers are being hoodwinked by this devastating men’s sexual rights (and men’s sexual access to other people) movement; which cares fuck all about the consequences that it could cause for those autistic kids and teenagers. It makes my blood boil to think of all the pain and suffering caused to them and their families.

As I’ve never ever been a barbie, and played with Jane and Johnny West, I’m probably a 9 or 10 according to the have-you-lost-your-regressive-misogynistic-minds mermaids, but that’ll come as a surprise to the DH and maybe midwives who delivered the DC. Or maybe not to the latter? Explains the actions of Susie Green though. The fuckwittery is strong in that organisation.

I was planning on spoiling my vote and making it clear it was over women's rights. I've never voted Tory in my life but this has always been such a safe Tory seat that my vote's never mattered anyway. We don't agree politically on much but the current MP is a decent enough human being (not one of the crazies). He doesn't think TWAW either.

But the latest odds on the Electoral Calculus site now suggest Labour has a chance to grab the seat. There are lots of very right-leaning, pro-Brexit people around here and Reform is splitting their vote. The Labour candidate is awful; a nodding dog who'll do whatever they're told by the leadership. And I don't think it's healthy for any party to have so many seats they can just do what they like without any opposition.

Can I make myself vote for a party I've never supported, just to try and keep out another party which is filled with people who apparently can't stand me? Living here it wasn't a dilemma I was expecting to face.

Many Women are doing this.
Its your vote….so your choice.

I don’t look at the Party at all, just the policies they are intending to put forward

No! FFS!

the only votes that count are the properly filled in ones. A spoilt vote is a non vote.

They do have to be examined, and declared spoilt, and counted by category (as detailed in the Electoral Commission regulations), and published.

Agents and candidates see them, as well as the Returning Officer (or Deputy Returning Officer).

It’s not some casual binning process like some posters seem to think (not suggesting you do).

Some election counts are very close and I’ve seen spoilt votes matter at city council elections.

They do have to be examined, and declared spoilt, and counted by category (as detailed in the Electoral Commission regulations), and published

For clarity, from what I understand, only the number in the category is published. Not whatever message might be written on it.

Yes, i will be spoiling my ballot. I have specially printed stickers which I've used before. They say:

"Transwomen are men. Women require single sex spaces, services and sports for their own safety, dignity, privacy and fairness".

I might have considered voting Labour if I hadn't got an MP who was a full on TRA, and Israel hater to boot.

A spoiled ballot is still registered. That is what counts for those of us who refuse not to turn up at all - but cannot vote positively and with confidence for any of the candidates on the ballot paper.

I came to the conclusion some time ago that the Lib Dems are a bunch of weirdos, in general. A strange breed. And they certainly do believe that TWAW.

They have none of the passion of Labour and none of the pragmatism of Tories They seem to inhabit a strange in-between world where everything is nice and reasonable - and just a little detached from reality. Seems to attract odd bods and cold fish. Caroline Nokes would suit them well.....I keep expecting her to jump ship.

The Greens have long become the home of malcontents, ridiculous radicals and biology deniers. A repository party for thoose that are too way out, or disgruntled for any of the others - even for the Lib Dems. Plus that Owen jones is now touting for them.

Im in a seat that has been tory since record began. Im also going to spoil my vote. I think historic low turn out is the wake up call needed to drive positive change (and I cant vote for C, LD or L or G and there's no independent standifn where i am).

You have to do it priperly though so that they have to record it as such and not 'voter intention unclear' see here: www.votenone.org.uk/protest_votes_count.html

My next election is the EU parliamentary election this Sunday.
I will vote for a party that generally aligns with my opinions, although I thought of spoiling my ballot. But this isn't a national election.

In next year's general election in Germany, I will vote against the Coalition who voted in Self-ID this April (liberals, social-democrats and Greens). Either CDU or the Feminist Party, if they stand. I've been a lifelong social democrat, with the odd excursion into Green territory. No longer.

I've only skimmed the thread so don't know if this piece by Suzanne Moore has already been posted:
"I won’t vote Tory, but there’s a good reason Labour haven’t won me over yet - If Keir Starmer wants my support, I must be able to trust the party to protect the rights of women and children"

"I know many lifelong Labour voters who are wavering now because they don’t feel the party can be trusted with women’s rights. Others are wavering because of Gaza".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/06/05/not-vote-tory-labour-protect-womens-rights/
archived version here https://archive.ph/tjDta

I'll read the manifestos when they land but at the moment I still don't know what I'll do on election day.